C&Ds for Online D&D 5E Character Generators

Ed Friedlander reports that WotC has asked him to remove his D&D character generators. Ed ran the generators at his site, Pathguy.com, including a D&D 5E character generator. His Pathfinder RPG character generator is still running. Thanks to Slayyne for the scoop (who also reports that at least one other site has also closed). [Update: while the actual request has not been shared, others have reported that these are very amicable requests].

You can see his closing note here.

"After almost two decades, Wizards of the Coast has asked me to remove my online character generators. I appreciate the many people who have written and thanked me for my work, and I hope you will continue to enjoy the hobby.

As a physician and gamer, I've supported and defended the hobby, and helped concerned families understand its value.

The "Dungeons and Dragons" phenomenon has encouraged young people to study other cultures. It is a game in which people work together to accomplish a meaningful goal. Characters even define themselves in terms of their good morals and their ethics. On one level, it simulates the spiritual warfare described in the Christian scriptures and in the Arthurian legends on which the game is based. I am proud that I was able to make a contribution.

My generator for Pathfinder will of course remain online. Click here for more information about this role-playing game.

May your dice come up 20s.

Ed Friedlander MD
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Back in November, the D&D Tools website suffered a similar fate, as have a couple of spellcard websites. While WotC appears to be largely easygoing as far as fan creations are concerned, they do take action when content from their products is copied or distributed.

Ed's character generator created characters by selecting a number of options, and output a character sheet similar to below. I'm not all that familiar with it, so I don't know what text, if any, it may have borrowed from the official rules.

As yet, there's no license (Open Gaming or otherwise) for D&D 5th Edition (although WotC does intend to do so), although a number of publishers have published books anyway using the older Open Gaming License for D&D 3E and 3.5.

What is interesting to hear is that some people who have received such requests describe them as very amicable. Toxic Rat says "Speaking from personal experience, I received a very nice email asking that I take down particular content owned by WotC. No threats, no warnings of legal action, just a request to honor their copyright." That's great to hear.

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Morrus; they pulled the 4E PDFS FIVE YEARS AGO.

4E PDFs are available right now on dndclassics.com.

Calm down. You are getting too excitable. It's just a conversation about D&D.

Look, I get that this is your site. But if you don't want people questioning what WotC does, why don't you just say that?

Attempts to portray expression of an opposing opinion as censorship is the most obnoxious - and weak - position you can take here. Don't be so silly. If you literally cannot handle my having a dissenting opinion to yours, that's an issue you will have to internalise and process yourself.
 

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Actually, it isn't. You *still* can't buy the 4E core books there, let alone the 5E ones. If you could, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

...but you already knew that. So how about we both stop beating our heads against a brick wall and agree to disagree? :)

First, the 4e books are available there.

Second, you said there was some corporate philosophy which was preventing PDFs sales (in general) because of piracy concerns. You may recall they pulled PDF sales of older products at the same time as that piracy comment. Whatever concerns they had, they seemed to go away a few years later when they started to sell those PDFs again, and even added a whole bunch more PDFs to those sales. If they still were not selling PDFs (in general) because of piracy, then they never would have opened dndclassics.com. So, it seems like their thinking has changed since the event you noted.
 
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No, what I said was, you can't get the 4E core books in PDF. And you can't; go check. But that's really beside the point. The point is the 5E books. And you can't get those in PDF, either.

As for dissenting, I have no issue with what you choose to believe. What I "have an issue with" is your use of a straw man, who apparently believes that WotC is "not selling PDFs because they just don't feel like it right now."

On the other hand, if you have an actual logical rebuttal to my argument, feel free to offer it.
 

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No, what I said was, you can't get the 4E core books in PDF. And you can't; go check.

I did. The rules compendium is right there.

More to the point, if they are not selling PDFs because of piracy issues, why are so many 4e books available as PDFs? I mean, there is a serious ton of them! If there was some anti-piracy still in effect, why are they selling (for a random example) the Monster Manual II?
 

First, the 4e books are available there.

Second, you said there was some corporate philosophy which was preventing PDFs sales (in general) because of piracy concerns. You may recall they pulled PDF sales of older products at the same time as that piracy comment. Whatever concerns they had, they seemed to go away a few years later when they started to sell those PDFs again, and even added a whole bunch more PDFs to those sales. If they still were not selling PDFs (in general) because of piracy, then they never would have opened dndclassics.com. So, it seems like their thinking has changed since the event you noted.

Or perhaps they realize that out-of-print products have no dead tree revenue source? Which is obviously not the case with 5E. Yet somehow they seem to still mistakenly believe that not offering 5E PDFs somehow prevents them from being pirated.

Really, if you have some sort of alternative explanation for their behavior that makes sense, I'd love to hear it.
 

The core books are the PHB, the DMG, and the MM. 99.99% of D&D players would tell you that without hesitation. And as has been previously noted, the Rules Compendium does not contain the rules necessary for play. But again, this is beside the point. So let's pretend that the 4E core books are available. Great. The point is 5E. Can we agree those aren't available and get back to the actual debate?
 

Or perhaps they realize that out-of-print products have no dead tree revenue source? Which is obviously not the case with 5E. Yet somehow they seem to still mistakenly believe that not offering 5E PDFs somehow prevents them from being pirated.

Really, if you have some sort of alternative explanation for their behavior that makes sense, I'd love to hear it.

Morrus already gave you the reason!

Oh, for goodness' sake. They're under pressure from retailers and distributors to delay electronic releases. How is this not obvious?

If anyone literally thinks WotC is not selling PDFs because they just don't feel like it right now, then I don't know what to say to them.
 

And I pointed out a rather long list of other publishers that sell to retail but somehow still sell PDFs, despite the pressure they are presumably under. Seriously, the only other RPG I am aware of that I can't get in PDF is the Star Wars stuff, and that's because it's licensed.

So if retailer pressure is the reason WotC won't sell 5E in PDF, why doesn't that reason apply to anyone else in the industry? Seriously...I'm asking this question in earnest. If that's it, how does pretty much everyone else manage to get around it?
 
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On the other hand, if you have an actual logical rebuttal to my argument, feel free to offer it.

This isn't the first time you've done this. If you wish to disagree with others, that's fine. But repeatedly attacking the motives and competency of those who disagree with you needs to stop now, as do the accusations of various shenanigans against those who disagree with you. If you have any further questions on this, feel free to email me or another moderator for clarification, but further ad hominem attacks will not be tolerated.
 

"Your rebuttal wasn't logical" isn't a personal attack. It's an observation.

In any event, it is clear that you do not hold yourself to the same standards to which you are now holding me. But it's your playground.
 
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