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I see what you say, I'll apply my chivalric code ;-)
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Nope, this time gods are being brought back (and, in given cases, gods that people thought gone weren't actually gone at all). All in all, it is a return to the previous feel of the FR, with *many* of the iconic deities, organizations and nations of old being restored.
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Dungeon Master is my Daddy
In order-
1. Graz'zt was created by Gygax, and made his first appearance in Tsojcanth. I mean, you could have named yourself Mordenkainen Yrag, but that's close enough.
2. "And yes, I realize its Flannaes[.]" Nope. It's Flanaess. That's twice, now.Anyway, the point was that your whole analysis was wrong, in both the details and overall. From the small things (spelling, Ulek is not a vacuum cleaner, size) to the big things.
3. You're right- Drizzt is no Gord. Because while both are terribly written and unrealistic, it's at least easy to cop to with Gord.* I don't have to worry about a bunch of people dressed up like Gord, naming their characters after Gord, saying that Gord is an archetype that "proves" something about an entire race, and ... shudder ... claiming that Gord actually amounts to either good fiction (in general) or even good genre fiction. There's no shame in liking bad writing when you're young, but most people eventually move on to, you know, good writing. There's plenty of good genre writing out there- whether it's historical (the original Gord, the Gray Mouser) or a little more literary (Chronicles of Thomas Covenant).
4. "Oh wait, its getting a brand new setting book and video game release unlike Greyhawk" Awesome! So more retconning and bad writing piled on to the previous retconning and bad writing? What "realms-shattering" event should I expect this time? Another set of gods dying?
[Note for others- I kid, mostly. As I have said, if you like the Realms, more power to you! But I can't help but note the irony of someone calling themselves Graz'zt making this post.]
*I don't blame Salvatore for this. If people shoveled money at me to punch them in the face, I'd keep punching them in the face.
First of all Im not Graz'zt, Im chibi graz'zt, like Graz'zt, but chibi sized ;-)
And Demons belong to the Multiverse, not Greyhawk my friend.
Read my post again, IM referring to Bissel, not Ulek, perhaps Gygax had a vacuum when he thought of this one
Your points are well taken, but I sense an inordinate amount of bitterness. The past is the past, and the future is the FUTURE!
And the Forgotten Realms is the FUTURE!
(I tried to be chivalric, but I keep getting taunted by these hedge knights...)
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... the REALMS! ... its getting a brand new setting book and video game release unlike Greyhawk
There are some folks who strongly prefer Greyhawk at least in part because it's not been "updated" in decades. I'm sure the new book will be filled with information useful to your campaign, and that the PC game will be fun to play, but I have some doubts as to whether these products will, in the long run, actually improve the setting itself. I suppose it's true that at this point they really can't do a lot of harm... once you've destroyed the setting and put it mostly back together a few times I suppose it gains a certain resilience, perhaps even becoming a bit rubbery.
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A point of order, if I may.
I know from long experience that a lot of people have formed similar opinions--and that's fine--I just want to point out that Elminster was never a stand in for Ed Greenwood, ever.
Unfortunately The Realms Secretariat website is down, otherwise I'd be able to link to the Unofficial History section, so readers can get a quick history lesson on why the character of Elminster became such a prominent figure in the published Realms, as opposed to the likes of Mirt the Moneylender and Durnan the Wanderer, or any of the enormous cast of NPCs Greenwood created.
Should the website come back up: https://www.realmssecretariat.com/unofficial-history/
Just saw this all the way back in the OP.
I know from long experience that a lot of people have formed similar opinions--and that's fine--I just want to point out that Elminster was never a stand in for Ed Greenwood, ever.
Unfortunately The Realms Secretariat website is down, otherwise I'd be able to link to the Unofficial History section, so readers can get a quick history lesson on why the character of Elminster became such a prominent figure in the published Realms, as opposed to the likes of Mirt the Moneylender and Durnan the Wanderer, or any of the enormous cast of NPCs Greenwood created.
Should the website come back up: https://www.realmssecretariat.com/unofficial-history/
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Jefe Bergenstein
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I think people get that mostly because he cosplays as Elminster, and the character comes across as a ridiculous Gary Stu, what with being a billionth level and banging dozens of women. I cant remember if he *trained* the goddess of magic or if that's just the Elminster equivalent of a "Chuck Norris" fact that stuck in my head.
