Can a cockatrice turn undead to stone?

[Hypersmurf]

I'd argue that Flesh to Stone can only affect objects that are carried by the target, and cannot target objects directly.

Whether it can target them is irrelevant.

The question is "Is Flesh to Stone a spell that cannot affect objects?"

If the answer is yes, then undead are immune.

If the answer is no, they aren't.

-Hyp.

 

[Nifft]

Whether it can target them is irrelevant.

That's where you're wrong.

The effect cannot affect an object as a target. Thus, it cannot affect an undead as a target.

The effect can affect an object as part of a valid target's equipment. Thus, it can affect an undead as part of a valid target's equipment.

Perfectly obvious.

-- N

 

[Scion]

It cannot turn just any object into stone, merely carried gear. Although, typically in my games the gear is not turned to stone with the creature (although most gear becomes nearly impossible to remove without damaging the statue).

Still, since the spell itself does not directly affect objects then I would assume undead to be immune. The spells turning gear to stone seems more of a side effect of the creature turning to stone rather than actually directly effecting it in any way. Sortof like the creature dragging its stuff along with it with various other spells

Much like shout does special damage to certain types of materials flesh to stone singles out a special type of item that might be turned to stone, carried gear. Not the best anology, but it does show that there are special subcategories that can be called into play as needed. In this case 'carried gear' does not extend to 'undead in general'.

 

[Hypersmurf]

The effect can affect an object as part of a valid target's equipment.

That's right. So it's not a spell that cannot affect objects, which are the sort that undead are immune to.

Disintegrate doesn't vaporise up to 10 cubic feet of an undead creature; it deals 2d6/level (or 5d6 on a successful save) damage to it.

It doesn't affect the undead as it would an object; it affects it as a creature (because it is). It affects it as a creature, because the spell is capable of affecting objects.

Flesh to Stone affects an undead as a creature, because the spell is capable of affecting objects. It doesn't matter how it affects objects, only that it can, which is all that's necessary to obviate the undead immunity to Fort-save effects.

-Hyp.

 

[Plane Sailing]

My reading is that a cockatrice couldn't turn undead to stone.

As has been pointed out, the flesh to stone spell will affect objects, and so can validly target undead.

The cockatrice entry for petrification doesn't say that it turns all their possessions to stone, nor does it refer to the flesh to stone spell, so I would rule that it turns the creature to stone but none of its possessions - you end up with a naked statue wearing clothes

As such, the way I see it, the cockatrice will not effect undead.

Cheers

 

[Nifft]

That's right.

Yep. I'm right.

Clearly we differ in interpretation.

I'm claiming that the effect differs depending on how the undead gets affected, while you are repeating that, because sometimes undead are affected, therefore always undead are affected.

We disagree, and we aren't making any new points, so let's drop it.

I agree with PS about the cockatrice.

-- N

 

[smetzger]

The cockatrice entry for petrification doesn't say that it turns all their possessions to stone, nor does it refer to the flesh to stone spell, so I would rule that it turns the creature to stone but none of its possessions - you end up with a naked statue wearing clothes

What, you guys wear clothes?

 

[rrealm]

I appreciate your insight everyone. I never imagined that I would have to discuss whether or not a skeleton can be turned to stone. Let me rake your brain some more….

If two people are holding onto each other (holding hands, hugging, grappling), and person A gets turned to stone, does person B turn to stone? If one could convince a cohort to grapple a vampire and then the cohort is turned to stone (evil campaign ), is the vampire considered “carried gear”, and is thus affected?

“Squire Bob, I’ll give you an extra 50 gp to you after this fight with the vampire if you wrestle him to the ground for just a second. The wizard needs to affect him with a spell which will only succeed if you’re holding him still.”

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

I'd go with no on that one. Sorry.

 

[rrealm]

Squire Bob is safe... for now