Can Shatter sunder weapons?

[Infiniti2000]

If I pour a potion of Cure Light Wounds out of the vial and into a mug, and then drink the liquid from the mug, are my wounds cured?

-Hyp.

Beats me! Maybe it cures the mug and then the liquid (if it doesn't evaporate) becomes inert.

What is wrong with targetting the hinges on a door with Shatter? Or a lock for that matter? Or even the door knob?

Nothing, if it works for you. I just warned caution.

 

[Zamtap]

If I pour a potion of Cure Light Wounds out of the vial and into a mug, and then drink the liquid from the mug, are my wounds cured?

-Hyp.

I think it is unclear from the potions and oils passage in the DMG what would happen. Now if we look at the potion miscability rules it follows that if mixing potions outside the body then drinking them gives an effect, then logically just decanting one and then drinking it gives the original effect so yes I believe the wounds are cured

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/20060401b

 

[kigmatzomat]

I think the comment was rhetorical, to show that the glass of a potion bottle is not magic. The logic that says a potion bottle is magic b/c it contains a magic potion also says that a backpack becomes magic b/c it contains a handfull of wands, or that a scrollcase becomes magic b/c it has spell scrolls in them.

The "one object" term is generally interpreted IMC to mean "things that are physically bonded, so that grabbing any one and lifting would lift the whole." That works for the object-destroying spells and the object-augmenting spells 99% of the time.

A potion no more makes the bottle magic than a flame-blade sword makes a crate magic, or a table it is sitting on as magic.

Detect magic will fail on a potion if the container is made of lead, after all.

 

[Infiniti2000]

I think the comment was rhetorical, to show that the glass of a potion bottle is not magic. The logic that says a potion bottle is magic b/c it contains a magic potion also says that a backpack becomes magic b/c it contains a handfull of wands, or that a scrollcase becomes magic b/c it has spell scrolls in them.

No, it doesn't. The 'logic' doesn't mean anything of the sort. When a character creatures a potion, that character creates a potion, including the bottle, flask, or whatever the liquid, oil, or whatever is contained within.

There's no reason, logical or otherwise, why the bottle is not magical.

In fact, unless you have specific item creation rules that identifies which parts of magical items are not magical, then you have to rule that the bottle is either magical or part of the magical item for the purposes of it being an "object."

 

[Hypersmurf]

No, it doesn't. The 'logic' doesn't mean anything of the sort. When a character creatures a potion, that character creates a potion, including the bottle, flask, or whatever the liquid, oil, or whatever is contained within.

* A potion is a magic liquid that produces its effect when imbibed.

* A typical potion or oil consists of 1 ounce of liquid held in a ceramic or glass vial fitted with a tight stopper.

* Drinking a potion or applying an oil requires no special skill. The user merely removes the stopper and swallows the potion or smears on the oil.

So, the first point tells us that the potion is a magic liquid. The third point tells us that you must swallow the potion to cause the effect.

The second point could be read in two ways:

- A typical potion or oil consists of [1 ounce of liquid held in a ceramic or glass vial fitted with a tight stopper].

or

- A typical potion or oil consists of [1 ounce of liquid] held in a ceramic or glass vial fitted with a tight stopper.

If we read it the first way, it a/ contradicts the first point (a potion is a magic liquid), and b/ means that you must swallow the ceramic or glass vial along with the liquid to activate the effect.

If we read it the second way, it means that the liquid is magical, and the vial is just a container for the magic liquid.

If the liquid is the magical part, there's nothing to suggest the vial is magical.

If the vial is part of the potion, it is a magical object, but it also must be swallowed.

-Hyp.

 

[rvalle]

As a flip side to the 'dispel+shatter' question, does Magic Weapon or other such spell then make the weapon/item immune to Shatter (for the duration of the spell)?

I'm gussing it would.

rv

 

[Henry]

Very generous to allow targeting of the string and not the whole bow. I would not allow it. I don't consider the string to be a separate object while it's on the bow. And, given that the string was targeted, I don't see how the weight of the bow had relevance. Similarly, I would not allow targeting shatter on a sword hilt, or armor straps, or a section of floor, etc. Of course, what really is an "object" is a gray area, so I can't fault the DM in this case. But, as a player I would work towards exploiting the precedence it sets up.

Because he targeted the bow, the string was creative license. The whole bow definitely weighed less than 110 lbs, so no problem from a rules perspective.


Here's a similar question, though: Drow is descending on a webline from the ceiling, created by it's own body. Could a shatter target it separately (because it's nowhere near the drow!) or does it still get a will save?

 

[shilsen]

Here's a similar question, though: Drow is descending on a webline from the ceiling, created by it's own body. Could a shatter target it separately (because it's nowhere near the drow!) or does it still get a will save?

As long as there's a drow at the end of the line, I'd treat it as attended, i.e. give it a Will save.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Here's a similar question, though: Drow is descending on a webline from the ceiling, created by it's own body. Could a shatter target it separately (because it's nowhere near the drow!) or does it still get a will save?

If you wanted a precedent for a ruling on "How long can an object be and still be attended?", you could extrapolate from the Invisibility spell:
Any part of an item that the subject carries but that extends more than 10 feet from it becomes visible.

-Hyp.

 

[Infiniti2000]

If the liquid is the magical part, there's nothing to suggest the vial is magical.

There's nothing to suggest that the vial isn't magical, is there? More to the actual point, is there any clear definition of what an object is? Can I target the hilt on a magical longsword? Is the hilt magical? How about the straps on some armor, or the chain of an amulet, or the rolling pin on a scroll, etc.?

Can you animate the lock out of a door, or maybe the doorknob, or hinges?

Can you animate the potion bottle, but not the magical liquid inside of a potion sitting on the counter?

You can't sunder armor, but can you sunder the straps holding the armor together?