airwalkrr
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hong said:I fail to see anything absurd about Hyp's argument.
If you want a less technical way of putting it: the take 20 mechanic is basically a convenient shortcut for rolling the dice over and over again. Would you let someone hide repeatedly, while a buddy tries to spot him, as a way of finding the best possible hiding spot? If yes, then taking 20 on Hide is allowed. If no, then taking 20 on Hide is not allowed.
What Hyp is saying is that there's no reason not to let your buddy help you hide, and therefore taking 20 on Hide is allowed.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have not read the whole thread. There is a reason not to let your buddy help you if his Spot bonus is not equal to your Hide bonus -1. In any other case, it is either mechanically impossible to differentiate between a roll that simply beats your ally's Spot check and a 20 (in the case where your Hide modifier is greater than your ally's Spot by more than 1), or it is mechanically impossible for you to Hide from your buddy (in the case where your Hide modifier is equal to or less than your ally's Spot). See previous posts for a discussion of this aspect.