D&D 5E (2014) cancelled 5e announcement at Gencon??? Anyone know anything about this?

[Eric Tolle]

[MENTION=232]Crothian[/MENTION] , An honest question, please take at face value even if your answer is simple:

Why will you not reveal the source?

Because he's not supposed to be in the country. If word got out that he's here, he would be arrested, the CIA would haul him off to be tortured, and wikileaks would be doomed. DOOMED I tell you!

 

[Gundark]

Well, in my case I've decided that 5e is WotC's one and only chance to win me back as a customer. Since the end of SWSE, I haven't bought anything from them, and I don't intend to do so until 5e. (And even that isn't guaranteed - this is the first edition in 23 years and counting that I won't buy until I've thoroughly checked it out first.)

If 5e doesn't win me back (making significant changes in the process), then I won't even look at 6e. I'll be done.

(And so, although I said I was kinda hoping for the announcement of 5e, I'm much prefer they took their time and got it 'right' rather than did it soon.)

I listened to the new product seminar and I think that Mike Mearls really cares about D&D , I gotta say just listening to him being open about mistakes of the past has got me hopeful for the future. I actually think that he might be the guy to mend a lot of bridges.

 

[Mournblade94]

They're talking about modularity and flexibility, but that doesn't mean it will happen. They said at Gencon, they're doing these articles for feedback, and who is to say the feedback they are getting isn't negative?

Some people seem to have this grand hope that the next edition will come swiftly and correct perceived "errors" with 4E. I'm curious to see what happens if 5E ends up being more of the same, or a change even further away from what people holding their breath in hopes of being "saved" by 5E seem to want.

They are all nice sentiments really. But lets look at campaign settings. If they publish campaign settings in the rules light way that Paizo does (in other words no classes or levels associated with NPC's) it MIGHT work.

But people like the crunch in the campaign setting as well. The amount of extra pages necessary to stat block Drizzt do'Urden for 1st edition, 3rd edition, and 4e would be astounding I think. Every character would take up a page.

Golarion doesn't stat block their NPC's which I actually wish they would or at least give a guide, (i.e. this NPC is heroic, legendary, epic, etc.)

a 5e release of this dial method seems unlikely to me. I realize they want lapsed player's money, but I find it more likely they would do that in publishing anniversary editions. The dial method seems REAL overcomplicated.

 

[Truth Seeker]

That's a lot of bridges to mend...a duanting task none the less.

I listened to the new product seminar and I think that Mike Mearls really cares about D&D , I gotta say just listening to him being open about mistakes of the past has got me hopeful for the future. I actually think that he might be the guy to mend a lot of bridges.

 

[Shemeska]

I continue to be most amused by people holding their breath for the arrival of 5E, expecting it to be their savior as opposed to continuing the direction laid out by 4E and Essentials.

I wonder what the response of the current 5E theorists would be if when 5E is announced there is no significant change in course.

Probably similar to my response to 4e: rejected disappointment (although it might not concern as many people now as then, since PF exists regardless of what any 5e does). Near the end of 3.x I was hoping for certain things out of a future 4e, and when 4e arrived it largely took the parts of 3.x that I didn't like, amplified them even more, and downgraded or removed other elements of 3.x that I appreciated.

Unless they completely clean house in terms of who is there on the design team for any speculative 5e, I would doubt that we'd see any backtracking on major design elements from 4e (they'd probably use Essentials as a base though, rather than original 4e if the 3e->4e transition was similar).

 

[Mournblade94]

I listened to the new product seminar and I think that Mike Mearls really cares about D&D , I gotta say just listening to him being open about mistakes of the past has got me hopeful for the future. I actually think that he might be the guy to mend a lot of bridges.

Very much agreed there!

I just could not picture choosing another fantasy RPG over PAthfinder at this point due to their amazing quality.

I would however, be willing to buy books from WOTC to play in games. Now when I play in 4e games I use other peoples stuff. If I felt I could trust WOTC to make the game I really like, then I would buy the things necessary for a player.

As it is I like their Board Games like castle ravenloft. I just don't like 4e enough to support it. I could play it, but I play games I don't like all the time with people I like. I have been doing it with White Wolf games for years. I played in a 3 year campaign of Exalted and never bought the books. I don't particularly like the White Wolf resolution system myself.

I get invested in games as a DM more so than a player. The exception being Traveller. The game hooked me right away.

 

[UnknownAtThisTime]

I enjoy 4e.

Must Spread XP .....

 

[Shemeska]

I listened to the new product seminar and I think that Mike Mearls really cares about D&D , I gotta say just listening to him being open about mistakes of the past has got me hopeful for the future. I actually think that he might be the guy to mend a lot of bridges.

Might take a while I think after that whole [element of 3.x] "bullet in the head" podcast that he was in from a while back.

 

[Azgulor]

Golarion doesn't stat block their NPC's which I actually wish they would or at least give a guide, (i.e. this NPC is heroic, legendary, epic, etc.)

Actually, they do. However, Paizo tries to make sure that it's a blend. Some NPCs are just a name, others get a guidepost: e.g. Mayor Such-and-Such (Aristocrat 4/Rogue 2) and others get a full write-up. This is a conscious decision to allow GMs the flexibility to tailor their version of Golarion to their campaigns. Generally speaking, such write ups appear in GM-focused products (APs & Campaign Setting books) but occasionally they'll throw one into a player-focused product like the Companion series (e.g. Elves, Andoran).

As for the "tier" thing, that's a 4e thing, so not really applicable.

 

[thecasualoblivion]

[MENTION=11697]Shemeska[/MENTION]

Bullet in the head podcast? When was this?