Celestial Brillance and Earth Reaver troubles

[hong]

So if someone has three seperate castings of melfs acid arrow on them they will only take the highest roll of 2d4?

Looks like it.

 

[Scion]

Sounds definately questionable.

 

[hong]

Sounds definately questionable.

Sounds perfectly clear-cut to me. If you don't like it, house rule it.

 

[Scion]

Sounds perfectly clear-cut to me. If you don't like it, house rule it.

That quote is very likely talking about spells like bulls strength and such, whether or not it actually applies to damage dealing spells. ::shrugs:: hard to say, the rules are not always written as clearly as we would like.

Still, it definately seems questionable. Very likely it does not apply to certain things, or only applies to a small subset of categories. Hard to say.

Especially since spells like 'ice storm' do not have an 'Effect' line.

 

[hong]

That quote is very likely talking about spells like bulls strength and such,

Bull's strength is covered by the general rule of the same bonus types not stacking.

whether or not it actually applies to damage dealing spells.

The whole point of that clause would seem to be to apply to damage dealing spells, among other things.

::shrugs:: hard to say, the rules are not always written as clearly as we would like.

Which part of "In cases when two or more identical spells are operating in the same area or on the same target, but at different strengths, only the best one applies." is so hard to understand?

Still, it definately seems questionable. Very likely it does not apply to certain things, or only applies to a small subset of categories.

Yes, that would be why it says "this does not apply to certain things, or only applies to a small subset of categories".

Hard to say.

Hard to say, or do you just have trouble saying it?

Especially since spells like 'ice storm' do not have an 'Effect' line.

What are you going on about now?

 

[Scion]

"Same Effect More than Once in Different Strengths: In cases when two or more identical spells are operating in the same area or on the same target, but at different strengths, only the best one applies."

Ice Storm
Evocation [Cold]
Level: Drd 4, Sor/Wiz 4, Water 5
Components: V, S, M/DF
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Long (400 ft. + 40 ft./level)
Area: Cylinder (20-ft. radius, 40 ft. high)
Duration: 1 full round
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: Yes
Great magical hailstones pound down for 1 full round, dealing 3d6 points of bludgeoning damage and 2d6 points of cold damage to every creature in the area. A –4 penalty applies to each Listen check made within the ice storm’s effect, and all land movement within its area is at half speed. At the end of the duration, the hail disappears, leaving no aftereffects (other than the damage dealt).
Arcane Material Component: A pinch of dust and a few drops of water.


no effect line.

 

[Piratecat]

Hard to say, or do you just have trouble saying it?

Hong... ahem. You can make your point without getting rude. Remember, r.g.f.d isn't EN World, and vice versa.

 

[hong]

"Same Effect More than Once in Different Strengths: In cases when two or more identical spells are operating in the same area or on the same target, but at different strengths, only the best one applies."

Ice Storm
...
no effect line.

Scion, please stop digging your hole before you end up in China. I realise it's the world's largest recipient of direct foreign investment right now, but really, it's still not a very nice place to be.

"... in the same AREA or on the same TARGET..."

Hong... ahem. You can make your point without getting rude.

Yeah, but he's making it difficult.

 

[cloaker]

My DM completly removed this spell from his game for the reason that it was completly overpowered (120 ft area - days durations) and the real reason was that thier is a similar spell in Exalted Deeds which is 5th level and alot weaker called Crown of Flame (or something like that).
I believe that even is you make this spell 10 min/lvl its still overpowered, especially in a undead heavy campaign.

my 2 cents,
cloaker

 

[Scion]

"... in the same AREA or on the same TARGET..."

Now look at the correct part. "Same Effect More than Once in Different Strengths:"

Come up with a relevant rule for what you want to argue.