Changes to Devils and Demons

[Jer]

Well, i think that the problem is that Planescape is a metasetting at its heart. It was created to be the converging point for much of the things that were common between the settings. It gave its own twists to it with the factions, sigil, the chant and the way that belief shaps the planes, but it was, for the most part, a melting pot for almost everything that feels D&D, being based on what was constructed in 20 years of fluff to the game. If you take that out you, prety much, dissolve one of the main reasons of the setting.

So, i can feel why that changes, the mecanical ones and the implied ones about flavor, can cheapen the feeling of planescape for its fans.

See, I guess I can see that argument, but it rings false to me. I love Planescape for the setting itself - the city of Sigil, the travel to exotic locations for adventure, the feeling that there's always something larger than you out there, the plotting of the Celestials and the Fiends -- stuff like that.

But then, I took great pains to exercise most of the "official setting melting pot" aspects from my Planescape game back in the day so that I could use the setting without it just being a metasetting.

(Similarly, my favorite incarnation of the Ravenloft campaign setting is the White Wolf one for 3e - because they had to obscure all of the connections to the other settings that the domains came from. I love the idea that Ravenloft pulls domains from all over a multiverse - I just hate that it pulls domains from Krynn, and Toril, and Oerth.)

 

[Mouseferatu]

(Similarly, my favorite incarnation of the Ravenloft campaign setting is the White Wolf one for 3e - because they had to obscure all of the connections to the other settings that the domains came from. I love the idea that Ravenloft pulls domains from all over a multiverse - I just hate that it pulls domains from Krynn, and Toril, and Oerth.)

Well, it's not RP/gaming material, but as of the new Ravenloft fiction line, the Mists pull people and domains (or at least domain concepts) from different periods in actual Earth history. Just an FYI.

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[Klaus]

Well, it's not RP/gaming material, but as of the new Ravenloft fiction line, the Mists pull people and domains (or at least domain concepts) from different periods in actual Earth history. Just an FYI.

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ETA, please?

 

[Mouseferatu]

ETA, please?

Black Crusade, the first novel of the new series, is out next March.

 

[Garnfellow]

Wouldn't it have been far, far, easier to just give the succubus an additional alternate form -- their true form, perhaps -- that is some chaotic mass of horrible fleshy protoplasm or some such nastiness.

Bam! Now she fits the demonic model. Maybe that "pretty girl with bat wings" false form is just a demonic "FU" to the devils?

 

[Mouseferatu]

Random aside: In 6th-grade social studies class, I did a presentation on demons and devils in history and religion. (About as deep a presentation as you'd expect from a 6th-grader. )

Part of the presentation was a posterboard with various bits of info on it. As an artistic touch, I xeroxed pictures of various demons from various books and pasted them around the border of the poster. One my sources for pictures (but not information ) was the 1E Monster Manual.

The succubus picture drew an interesting frown from the teacher...

 

[Doug McCrae]

Wouldn't it have been far, far, easier to just give the succubus an additional alternate form -- their true form, perhaps -- that is some chaotic mass of horrible fleshy protoplasm or some such nastiness.

Nah, that wouldn't work. You'd always be thinking about her horrible protoplasmic true form and wouldn't be able to do her.

 

[Mouseferatu]

Nah, that wouldn't work. You'd always be thinking about her horrible protoplasmic true form and wouldn't be able to do her.

So, she'd be Paris Hilton, then?

 

[Pale]

All in all, I was much more upset when they screwed over 12 of my elemental princes by removing para- and quasi-elemental planes.

What's good for the inner is good for the outer!

 

[Moon-Lancer]

The succubus picture drew an interesting frown from the teacher...

suddenly seduction gets sexy and she is upset? hahah thats awesome. Is their really a difference between demons and devils outside of d&d?

*edit*

so does anyone have a picture of the 1e succubus for um... research?