Changes to Devils and Demons

[Lonely Tylenol]

Oh yeah...and the whole 'too close to RW thing'...nah. Devils need a credible reason to be heinously nasty...and I think killing their deity fits the bill. Bible thumpers will thump over the demons/devils regardless, so if they're in the game (and the should be!) then let them be the nasty things they should be! And remember...they are there so the players can overcome the evil...which is a good thing.

It's not like there aren't plenty of gods to go around, anyway. What's one god more or less in the grand scheme of things?

 

[Agamon]

Well, I, for one, am glad that outsiders are no longer based upon alignment. I'm looking forward to the not-in-your-face alignment of 4E (I'd look forward more to no alignment at all, but this is a good step).

And why is it okay to change rules, but not fluff? Good on WotC for putting a simpler structure in for these creatures that you don't need a Planescape PhD to know.

 

[getgoldcardsoul]

It wasn't intended to be. Please don't ascribe motives.

I don't like this.

If a person was to go throughout their day not intending to harm anyone, but in the process of daily life by complete accident harms another person (say, crashing into another's car or, to a less dramatic extent, bumping into someone), you don't tell the that person you hit, "Well, you shouldn't have been there when I was."

The same applies to being insulted even when no insult was intended. Please don't blame the insulted; merely apologize.

 

[getgoldcardsoul]

Well, nymphs aren't exactly fiendish, nor do they necessarily dwell on another plane.

That's just fluff.
At the crunchy core, they are the same thing (beautiful, charming monsters).

 

[jasin]

As for the looks of demons and devils, for the longest while I have held the opinion that devils should be more humanoid, but with horns, wings and tails, a very draconic appearance. Because oppressive law can be described as "draconic", and LE is all about oppressive law.

Draconic laws have nothing to do with dragons.

Just sayin'.

 

[Kvantum]

Well, that's all folks. I'm out. Goodbye, good night, that's it. I'm done with even the idea of 4e. This is just a STUPID change to make that completely invalidates all the old material on the planes. To hell with it, and to hell with WotC. I'll stick with 3.5 for... well, as long as it takes for them to realize all these changes are a bad idea. (See you in 2010 or so.)

 

[Wormwood]

Well, that's all folks. I'm out. Goodbye, good night, that's it. I'm done with even the idea of 4e. This is just a STUPID change to make that completely invalidates all the old material on the planes. To hell with it, and to hell with WotC. I'll stick with 3.5 for... well, as long as it takes for them to realize all these changes are a bad idea. (See you in 2010 or so.)

Later!

 

[Obergnom]

Oh well,

I must say, I read that and thought: Great! I really like the idea to be able to describe a monster to my (not very D&D Cosmology firm) group and they will be able to guess wether its a Demon or a Devil. (Up until know, that had more to do with a Know Planes Check)

So, might be a minority, but I do see this having a positive effect on my game. At the end of the day, thats all I care for.

Oh, and about the religious people might get angry stuff, I can't commend on that. There never was a RPG Witch Hunt in Germany afaik, and if one takes a look at the most successfull RPG here (Dark Eye), well, lets just say D&D is a really good little child

 

[The Shadow]

I've been playing D&D since around 1981. And I've hated the whole Great Wheel cosmology pretty much from day one. It's just so *silly*, and codifies alignment way too much, IMHO.

I for one am very glad to see it go, and something better take it's place. No way is the Great Wheel "essential to D&D". (And no, I've never liked Planescape, either.)

 

[Clueless]

... merging succubus and eryines? Excuse me? Not only is that an incredibly poor writing decision - to attempt to merge two creatures that serve *entirely* different, parallel and *contrasting* roles... but I find that on some level personally offensive. They're alike only in that they're "hot females" - does this mean the new writing team thinks one "hot female" is interchangeable with the other? Did they even bother to read the original material on the roles of the two creatures or will they be handwaving that off as something they don't have the time to do or can't find the books for researching the previous material?

Mind you - if they're portraying all of this as a non-great wheel cosmology or a myth, hey, no skin off my back. But otherwise it sounds like a lazy and poorly executed idea.