Character Wealth by Level chart for level 20+?

[Upper_Krust]

Hi there!

I don't understand what you mean by "long-winded especially at higher levels". You will need a calculator with a y^x function.

You will always need a calculator.

If you were to present the idea in a rulebook it would be better served in a table than as a formula, I think.

However, it can increase rapidly, for example at 100th level you get

W=3256*1.314^(100) or 2.36 x 10^15 or
= 2,360,000,000,000,000 gold or 2,360 trillion gold which is in the neighborhood of the US economy if 1 gold = $1.

1gp is typically regarded as equalling $10 (If I remember correctly from a Dragon Magazine article years ago).

Does that mean that Bush is a 100th level politician ?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi CRGreathouse mate!

Break one thousand gp on level 3, one million on level 20, one billion on level 47, and one trillion on level 72. (US units)

I loved the big list.!

But to be honest I think it inherantly points out the flaws of WotCs Wealth Tables.

As someone who roleplayed a character from 3rd-level to 117th-level (a character that converts to 83rd-level in 3rd Ed.) I can guarantee that there is no way we ever came close to 22 trillion gp! (and thats using the 3rd Ed. converted levels as a guide, otherwise it would be 244 quodrillion gp!!) These are just insane figures, trust me!

On the Immortals Handbook thread in the House Rules forum I suggested having:

Level x Level x Level x 100 for PC Wealth.
(NPCs treated as -5 Levels)

Using that method an 83rd level character would have just over 57 million gp wealth. To be honest this is roughly close to being accurate within our campaign - certainly much closer than a figure of 22 trillion!

It was pointed out that this scales after 20th level noticably different from WotCs method - but I have to reiterate how insane things get with that method.

 

[CRGreathouse]

These guidelines are about the only way to go, but they assume a game in which +2 levels = x2 power. Since you've thrown that out, you should use it as a "Wealth by CR" table - so a level 50 character would have 20,000,000 gp instead of 2,770,000,000 gp.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi there!

In all seriousness, what is the point of gold when you are a god?

Lots of reasons, though I suppose it depends on your definition of gods in D&D.

Can't Pelor create permanent gold at will? Does he lose XP when he does so?

Under my auspices he would expend worship points doing so. But thats just me!

I would think that there would be a different 'god currency' at such high levels. So many gold pieces is a nightmare...(can't stand accounting).

I hope the Epic stuff takes this into account.

Well firstly, extrapolating the wealth table in the DMG becomes insane, fast.

Regarding divine transactions magic items and gems would be more frequently used currencies.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi mate!

These guidelines are about the only way to go, but they assume a game in which +2 levels = x2 power. Since you've thrown that out, you should use it as a "Wealth by CR" table - so a level 50 character would have 20,000,000 gp instead of 2,770,000,000 gp.

I agree. Wealth by Challenge Rating is more appropriate. I'll have to stipulate that means CRs before they are revised in my system. Since a 50th-level character is effectively considered CR32 therein.

 

[ConcreteBuddha]

"In my campaign, there are more expensive types of coins: platinum and mithril (note spelling). Platinum coins are worth 10 gp each, and mithril pieces are worth 1000 gp each."

This is a good idea, but I guess what I mean is, when you are level 37, do you care about money at all? Do you sit around with Bahamut and Vecna playing cards with Mithral pieces? Is there a 'god market' where a god can go to buy and sell worshippers?

I guess even more so, can Corellon create mithral from nothing? Can Moradin?

I suppose we first have to know what these gods can do before I first make these statements...they can't be much more powerful than a Solar, who are the "close attendants to a deity" and "other than demon princes, archdevils, and deities, nothing else in the multiverse approaches them."

I feel at some point, the value of power, magic or otherwise, cannot be described in monetary terms.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi ConcreteBuddha!

Incidently if you wanted a quote for your sig (?) how about:

"You can't compete...with concrete!"

"In my campaign, there are more expensive types of coins: platinum and mithril (note spelling). Platinum coins are worth 10 gp each, and mithril pieces are worth 1000 gp each."

Nice idea!

This is a good idea, but I guess what I mean is, when you are level 37, do you care about money at all?

Yes, trust me!

Do you sit around with Bahamut and Vecna playing cards with Mithral pieces?

I remember reading in an article about the Suloise Orbs of Dragonkind (Dragon #230 I think); that Zagyg had bet one in an intercosmic game of poker!

Is there a 'god market' where a god can go to buy and sell worshippers?

There are certainly extraplanar slave markets where you could buy and sell all types of slaves. Wouldn't necessarily make them worshippers though unless they worshipped the deity of their own free will.

I guess even more so, can Corellon create mithral from nothing? Can Moradin?

Yes. But something can't come from nothing. Doing these things expends a portion of the deities energy. The fraction of their power this would represent would be dependant on the deities status.

I suppose we first have to know what these gods can do before I first make these statements.

What do you want to know!?

...they can't be much more powerful than a Solar,

Personally I would regard Solars as Quasi-deities; the least powerful measure of divinity on the scale.

who are the "close attendants to a deity" and "other than demon princes, archdevils, and deities, nothing else in the multiverse approaches them."

An unfortunate hasty generalisation on the part of Skip Williams who went on to contradict himself even within the Monster Manual itself by having Solars CR19 (utterly incorrect already, should be more like CR24) and therefore inferior to a number of Dragons and supposedly Titans and the Tarrasque as well.

I feel at some point, the value of power, magic or otherwise, cannot be described in monetary terms.

I don't think wealth in the D&D multiverse as closely parallels power as it does in the real world.

 

[Ace32]

How in the world would you spend that much GP???

 

[BluWolf]

Outstanding math. However this represents a formula in a vaccum.

It completely ignores any sense of a economic system. GPs are not infinte. There is a ceiling to ANY wealth one can earn in ANY system, medieval or otherwise.

 

[Cullain]

Outstanding math. However this represents a formula in a vaccum.

It completely ignores any sense of a economic system. GPs are not infinte. There is a ceiling to ANY wealth one can earn in ANY system, medieval or otherwise.

Well, true, but D&D doesn't exactly have a flawless default economic system(just imagine the hyper-inflation adventurers would bring to the world's economy)

The wealth at that levels is probably not so much gold, as artifact level magic items that typically are listed as priceless. Otherwise, the existence of people with that much money would cripple any sort of economic system.

Cullain