cheesy things to do with 2wf

[Sil]

A RAW way to stop this, if it actually bothers you…

I believe swift and immediate actions are forms of free action.

Free Action: Free actions consume a very small amount of time and effort. You can perform one or more free actions while taking another action normally. However, there are reasonable limits on what you can really do for free.

So if you have a low dairy tolerance, rule that you only get one weapon based free action per turn. I don’t know how the mad dagger thrower will feel about it, but it does not really matter, as now he will only get one attack.

 

[Tatsukun]

He's not.

OK, but I still don't see the problem. He's working really hard just to use a short sword instead of armor spikes. He's used an extra feat (quick draw), and for that he gets a weapon that crits on a 19 or 20, rather than just on 20. Doesn't seem a big deal to me.

-Tatsu

 

[Alzrius]

The concern is that he's getting the 1.5 Strength bonus on the first attack, which, since it's two-handed, should prevent him from getting a second attack. The armor spikes are an exception.

 

[Sil]

SO he gets an extra str bouns to only the first attack of the combat.

He is actualy better off with armor spikes, right?

 

[the Jester]

About keeping the same armament profile: what if my greataxe (two-handed weapon) is sundered by a readied opponent after my first attack, and I quickdraw a dagger to finish my full attack?

On a related note: if I am fighting with two weapons and one is sundered in the midst of my full attack, am I still subject to the two-weapon penalties?

Can I drop my remaining weapon (free action) and quickdraw a greatsword (two-handed weapon, free action to draw) and finish my full attack with it? What two-weapon fighting penalties, if any, should I suffer?

 

[Sil]

About keeping the same armament profile: what if my greataxe (two-handed weapon) is sundered by a readied opponent after my first attack, and I quickdraw a dagger to finish my full attack?

If it was "a readied opponent" then you did not get your first attack, right?

 

[Someone]

If it was "a readied opponent" then you did not get your first attack, right?

Could be a readied action to sunder the greataxe after he attacks (sounds idiotic, yes). Or he could have attacked a rust monster.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I'd personally say that when you have multiple attacks from any sources, you must always go highest total attack bonus to lowest.

I'm a 1st level fighter with a 14 Dex, and the Point Blank shot and Rapid Shot feats.

There are two opponents, one a wizard forty feet away, and one a minion twenty feet away.

I take the full attack action using Rapid Shot. I shoot my first arrow at the wizard - the more dangerous opponent. My total attack bonus is +1 BAB, +2 Dex, -2 Rapid Shot = +1.

The arrow kills the wizard, so I try to shoot my second arrow at the minion. But the Point Blank Shot feat applies, so my total attack bonus is +2... higher than the first arrow I shot.

Your ruling means that I cannot shoot the minion.

-Hyp.

 

[Sil]

His ruling does not address temporal issues. In your description you are always taking your highest attack first, at the moment you take it.

Leave the past in the past.

 

[Alzrius]

I'm a 1st level fighter with a 14 Dex, and the Point Blank shot and Rapid Shot feats.

There are two opponents, one a wizard forty feet away, and one a minion twenty feet away.

I take the full attack action using Rapid Shot. I shoot my first arrow at the wizard - the more dangerous opponent. My total attack bonus is +1 BAB, +2 Dex, -2 Rapid Shot = +1.

The arrow kills the wizard, so I try to shoot my second arrow at the minion. But the Point Blank Shot feat applies, so my total attack bonus is +2... higher than the first arrow I shot.

Your ruling means that I cannot shoot the minion.

Hypersmurf, you seem to make a habit of taking every ruling to its most insane extreme. Just my casual observation.

As that was an off-the-cuff ruling, I wouldn't be so anal as to deny a player his attack in the above-described scenario. If something happened during the middle of the attack sequence (such as changing targets) that changed the attack bonuses midway through, that's fine with me.

EDIT: Sil said it much better than me.