City of the Spider Queen (mini-campaign)

[Vertexx69]

No. Wildshape functions like Alternate Form. In Alternate Fomr it is stated: The creature retains the spell-like abilities and supernatural attacks of its old form (except for breath weapons and gaze attacks). It does not gain the spell-like abilities or attacks of its new form.

No. Your STR DEX and CON are replaced: The creature gains the physical ability scores (Str, Dex, Con) of its new form. It retains the mental ability scores (Int, Wis, Cha) of its original form. Apply any changed physical ability score modifiers in all appropriate areas with one exception: the creature retains the hit points of its original form despite any change to its Constitution.

All of this is in the SRD, you could do your own research you know...

The SRD takes some liberties. Here's what alter self actually says:
You retain all supernatural and spell-like special attacks and qualities of your normal form, except for those requiring a body part that the new form does not have (such as a mouth for a breath weapon or eyes for a gaze attack).

And even though the new form replaces physical stats, doesn't it still count as a 9HD creature (in this case) and therefore qualify for 2 +1 stat bumps of my choice?

 

[HolyMan]

Would I still be able to use my breath weapon while wild shaped?

Would modifiers to stats from leveling up carry over to the wild shape form? Example: I take my standard Large Fleshraker form and gain a str of 25. If I had put my +1 stat bump from gaining 8th lvl into str would it be a 26 or still just 25? Would the wild shape str rise if I had a +X Inherent bonus from a manual or wish?

Sorry I was still in magic item mode and missed these.

You can not use any of your original abilities as you are not you anymore

and...

Your STR, DEX, and CON are the only stats that do change so no you get the creatures physical stats (no lvl increase or inherent bonus) and keep your own INT, WIS, and CHA (though why you keep the CHA is beyond me). You become the creature physically.

HM

 

[HolyMan]

Doh! Forgot about that picture.

I was looking at a Duskblade to level 5 then Dragon Disciple until maxed.

As such Armored Mage only covers up to medium armor and light shields at that point. I had forgotten that mummy-like monstrosity and didn't think you were going to actually make me have it in my gear. Further more, Duskblades are not proficient in Tower Shields either. A Mithral Heavy shield might be usable, risking the Arcane failure or only using it when not casting spells, but as my primary magic item it would be a disappointment.

So... (Kinda in a holding pattern on that build awaiting your comments)

Different question then. On looking at another possibility, how do you feel about Reducing Level Adjustments from Urban Arcana (pg 18). I could go another route, using the Draconic Racial Class Variant (Races of the Dragon pgs 70-71 with fighter. Draconic Level 1 has +1ECL and could use XP to buy it back at 3rd Class Level. Then sometime around 7-8th Level I would take Draconic Levels 2-3 and complete the Half-dragon process (without wings). The adjustments for being a level behind after 3rd level's buy back of the +1ECL would be only a few hundred XP by 10th level, almost negligible at that point.

Forgot about the picture Oh man that is the whole reason behind this LOL. Ok I see where duskblade is a good fit. You would have armored mage and all.

So Duskblade 5th lvl is needed and then you take dragon disciple to 5th it will explain why he is so big (+4 STR bonus) and all green (+2 natural armor).

So the armor will be a breatplate of some kind (no spell failure). And the shield will be a + 3 bashing heavy steel(stone looking) shield of undead controlling. To others it's a tower shield but to your character it is not.

You'll have to play with the arcane failure chance till you reach 7th lvl as a duskblade. Will give you something to look forward to.

And Vertexx69 already asked about the buy back and the answer was no just try your best like I said before your guy could be a half-orc just that the second parent wasn't human. And you play it as fluff and just take the half orc abilities.

HM

 

[perrinmiller]

HM; ummm no to the breast plate.

If I cannot have mithral full platemail, then I will likely take Battle caster to wear heavy armor, but I would prefer the mithral version since my feats are stretched thin enough. This is why I brought it up now.

You can saddle me with the shield, but would rather not have it be so good since it might spend much of its time on his back rather than gamble 15% chance of his primary base class feature fizzling out at the wrong moment. Would rather go the Draconic Racial Class Fighter Route instead. I am looking at either using a weapon two handed or using the free hand to make claw attacks.

Or just make the shield mithral (only 5% Arcane Failure). His 7th level of Duskblade is at level 17 and a long way off.

Also there is a feat in d20 that is not in D&D that I am interested in. Agile Riposte. Not sure why it is not available in 3.5edition.

 

[Myth and Legend]

HM mind if i use my own stat sheet for this game? Also, you've been giving the others +8 weapons and armour (way above our level in cost), want to give me a gold pool to work with etc? Or do i have to forego item selection completely to get the bonus?

 

[ghostcat]

Just a heads up to let you know I'm still around and working on my character.

Love the armour and have updating my background to include it.

In order to use it effectively, can I take this feat Armored Monk (3.5e Feat)

 

[Vertexx69]

You can not use any of your original abilities as you are not you anymore

Hmm Wild shape states you change shape as the polymorph spell, But use your HD for the new form which lasts druid lvl in hours and only animals of certain sizes. Polymorph says you change shape as per alter self but also any size/creature (Animals only etc for druid), replace Physical stats, heals HP as though rested a night, and :

"It also gains all extraordinary special attacks possessed by the form (such as constrict, improved grab, and poison) but does not gain the extraordinary special qualities possessed by the new form (such as blindsense, fast healing, regeneration, and scent) or any supernatural or spell-like abilities." Polymorph

Alter Self says:

"You retain all supernatural
and spell-like special attacks and qualities
of your normal form, except for those
requiring a body part that the new form
does not have (such as a mouth for a breath
weapon or eyes for a gaze attack)."

Since it specifically uses breath weapon in the example, it should still work I think. But if you want to rule against it, Its your game

 

[Myth and Legend]

Hmm Wild shape states you change shape as the polymorph spell,

No it doesn't, it says that it changes the form as alternate form, which is a different ability with different restrictions. In the text it plainly states you do not get to keep your breath weapon (as i quoted it once already).

You seem to be mistaking Alternate Form for Alter Self, which is a whole 'nother cup of tea.

 

[Vertexx69]

ah there's our problem. you're reading the SRD while I'm using the actual PHB. The PHB druid says > as polymorph, which says > as alter self. So its a question of which version we are actually using for this game.

 

[HolyMan]

HM; ummm no to the breast plate.

If I cannot have mithral full platemail, then I will likely take Battle caster to wear heavy armor, but I would prefer the mithral version since my feats are stretched thin enough. This is why I brought it up now.

You can saddle me with the shield, but would rather not have it be so good since it might spend much of its time on his back rather than gamble 15% chance of his primary base class feature fizzling out at the wrong moment. Would rather go the Draconic Racial Class Fighter Route instead. I am looking at either using a weapon two handed or using the free hand to make claw attacks.

Or just make the shield mithral (only 5% Arcane Failure). His 7th level of Duskblade is at level 17 and a long way off.

Also there is a feat in d20 that is not in D&D that I am interested in. Agile Riposte. Not sure why it is not available in 3.5edition.

I would re-look at the picture he is defienetly wearing a breastplate.

HM mind if i use my own stat sheet for this game? Also, you've been giving the others +8 weapons and armour (way above our level in cost), want to give me a gold pool to work with etc? Or do i have to forego item selection completely to get the bonus?

whatever on the character sheet thought what I posted was close to what you like.

Now I said letting the DM choice was better as I am working with the picture but you said you needed to choose what your artificer got so I let you. And they may be ahead now but that only means what they find will be small(er) and will even out at the apropate lvl. So really it's not as bonus.

Just a heads up to let you know I'm still around and working on my character.

Love the armour and have updating my background to include it.

In order to use it effectively, can I take this feat Armored Monk (3.5e Feat)

Thanks ghostcat I was going to ask everyone to post something about aquiring his equipment. The feat looks good (balanced) so go ahead.

ah there's our problem. you're reading the SRD while I'm using the actual PHB. The PHB druid says > as polymorph, which says > as alter self. So its a question of which version we are actually using for this game.

Books always take presidence over SRDs and other write ups.

Now speaking of the book:

This spell functions like alter self, except that you change a willing subject into another form of living creature.

I change your 20thlvl firebreathing half-dragon fighter into a squirrel, well you can guess that I'm not the one next round running.

HM