Cloud of Knives kills minions?

[SadisticFishing]

Autokill? "A missed attack never damages a minion."

Cloud of Knives, on a miss, is a missed attack. Hence, it does not autokill minion.

Discuss.

 

[Puggins]

Certainly. Except that on the minion's turn it automatically takes damage, meaning it dies.

 

[Tale]

I believe there's a distinction between automatic damage and damage-on-miss.

Automatic damage occurs when there's a hit, as well, so those hit take both damage. Damage-on-miss only occurs when there is a miss, so those who are hit do not take it. Minions are only immune to the second.

I could be wrong.

 

[Danceofmasks]

Cloud of daggers deals no damage on a miss.
Hit and miss entries are resolved during the attack.

A zone a minion happens to start its turn in is an entirely unrelated issue.

 

[Maximillian]

I could be wrong.

Luckily, you're not.

Similar to the damage from a Cleave's secondary effect.
Similar to standing too close to a Wall of Ice.
Etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

Only missed attacks deal no damage. No attack roll equals no miss.

 

[SadisticFishing]

"A missed attack never damages a minion."

Not "A minion does not take damage from the 'Miss:' section of powers."

Things like Poison Cloud (or whatever it's called, the 1d10+int) every turn are easier to explain working, if they hit, because a "Missed" attack is an attack that doesn't hit, and once the power hits, it stops being a missed attack.

But Cloud of Knives does not autokill minions.

Edit: Let's make this a bit clearer.

The "Effect" is part of the attack. The attack is a missed attack. Hence, no damage.

 

[Antioch]

Cloud of daggers creates a section of difficult terrain that deals Wisdom-modifier (minimum of 1) damage if you start your turn in it, or move through it. So, even if the attack misses the minion, its going to take at least 1 point of damage when it starts anyway.
Its entirely possible for another creature to use a power that allows the creature to move. For example, a kobold wyrmpriest can use incite faith to let him shift 1 square. Since he didnt start his turn there, and didnt enter the square, he'd be fine.

 

[keterys]

Edit: Let's make this a bit clearer.

The "Effect" is part of the attack. The attack is a missed attack. Hence, no damage.

Rules for 'Effect' p59. You are incorrect.

It's no big deal, though. Just a minion, and all that.

 

[SadisticFishing]

Cloud of daggers creates a section of difficult terrain that deals Wisdom-modifier (minimum of 1) damage if you start your turn in it, or move through it. So, even if the attack misses the minion, its going to take at least 1 point of damage when it starts anyway.

But if it misses the minion, it does not damage it, as missed attacks never damage minions.

 

[lukelightning]

Certainly. Except that on the minion's turn it automatically takes damage, meaning it dies.

Unless the Elite Boss of Doom uses his action to grab the minion and pull it out of the clouds before the minion's turn. And we all know that's gonna happen, right? BBEG's are famous for their concern regarding their minions' wellbeing.