Combat Challenge and Opportunity Attack

[UngeheuerLich]

Not true, though ...

If you think of the shift as being on the stack, and you play a "reduce damage dealt by target spell to zero, draw a card." .. you can resolve your card, then play "counter target green spell." since the hurricane is still on the stack.

in 4th edition this was not possible, because counterspells were interrupts which could only be played before any instant effects were resolved...

so i would rule no, because the immediate action is triggered by casting that shift, not by beeing on the stack...

 

[Stalker0]

Combat Challenge and Combat Superiority are separate, and I think should remain separate.

Just wanted to say that I agree mechanically they should be kept seperate, though this is the new turning chart of 4e.

I play a fighter, and I still have to stop every once in a while and remember which one does what.

 

[the8bitdeity]

Why go through all this craziness? Combat Challenge's immediate interrupt doesn't care how you marked a target, so long as it was marked by you. It could have been with Combat Challenge, or with any other ability, Including the warpriest's ability. That means that because a marked target attacked adjacent to you, the Warpriest's ability lets you deal an OA (with the +wis to hit) AND you also get to deal your immediate interrupt from Combat Challenge. No need to remark him whatsoever.

I'm not sure about this. I asked CustServ if Paladin's Piercing Smite caused a mark that was subject to Divine Challenge, and he said no it did not. Each power's mark is a separate "flavour" of mark.

 

[Kordeth]

I'm not sure about this. I asked CustServ if Paladin's Piercing Smite caused a mark that was subject to Divine Challenge, and he said no it did not. Each power's mark is a separate "flavour" of mark.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Divine Challenge is a power that does two things to its target:

1) marks it.

2) causes it to take damage if it attacks anyone other than you while it is marked.

The radiant damage from divine challenge is not part of the mark itself, it's part of the power that uses the marked condition as its duration. Without using the power, you aren't Divine Challenging, you're just marking.

By contrast, Combat Superiority simply allows you to attack any target marked by you if it shifts or attacks someone else. This is not the effect of a power, it's an ability that keys off of being marked by the fighter. It's not the same thing as Divine Challenge at all.

 

[the8bitdeity]

You're comparing apples to oranges. Divine Challenge is a power that does two things to its target:

1) marks it.

2) causes it to take damage if it attacks anyone other than you while it is marked.

The radiant damage from divine challenge is not part of the mark itself, it's part of the power that uses the marked condition as its duration. Without using the power, you aren't Divine Challenging, you're just marking.

By contrast, Combat Superiority simply allows you to attack any target marked by you if it shifts or attacks someone else. This is not the effect of a power, it's an ability that keys off of being marked by the fighter. It's not the same thing as Divine Challenge at all.

Ah, very good distinction. Thanks

 

[Bayuer]

One question. Combat Superiority gives bonus to attack and damage on OA or just attack? It is'n cleary definied in book.

 

[Kordeth]

One question. Combat Superiority gives bonus to attack and damage on OA or just attack? It is'n cleary definied in book.

An opportunity attack is an attack roll; you only get the bonus to hit. If you added it to damage as well, it would specify damage as well.

 

[rabath]

Limiting OA's to one

There are a few powers that deal damage while a figther can make OA's limiting the OA to one can have a serious impact on the mechanics of that power.

SO as a DM you are effectively lowering the effectiveness of a defenders. So the question is do you apply limiters to the other groups DNH?

 

[Markn]

I've found that Vipers Strike from the Warlord on the Fighter can make a pretty good combo for locking creatures down. Any type of a move from the opponent, a shift or a move action can be stopped by this combo if the fighter successfully hits. My level 3 group slaughtered a white dragon solo fight very effectively with it.

 

[underfoot007]

No, not in my campaign. To all intents and purposes, the Combat Challenge is marking an opponent as "yours" and allowing you an Opportunity Attack if it does anything but attack you on its turn. IMO, it was an oversight not to actually cite the OA within the Combat Challenge description. Look at the descriptions of both (Combat Challenge and Opportunity Attack) and they are almost identical.

DNH

Most of us are playing 4E and wish to follow the rules as written and maybe as intended. I think it is very bold of you to decide what the designes did not intend. It would have made the errata/updates by now.

So as for 4E rules you would get both attacks as several user have already stated. Fighters are the only class which gets this free unamed attack.