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TSR Companies & Freelancers Distance Themselves From The New TSR

The new TSR (which I refer to as TSR3 to avoid confusion) has doubled down on its stance--which has been widely condemned online--via an ongoing series of tweets and replies from its TSR Games, Giantlands, and Dungeon Hobby Museum social media accounts (possibly operated by Justin LaNasa) in an astonishing PR campaign which makes the original interview which sparked off the controversy look mild in comparison. Various entities are moving to distance themselves from the company and its activities, including TSR2, the company founded in 2011 by Jayson Elliot, which has now declared that it will not be using the name TSR any longer. Other companies including Gen Con and freelancers such as Jeff Dee have also made statements.

For reference -- TSR1 is the (no longer existing) company which launched D&D in 1974, TSR2 is the company founded by Jayson Elliot in 2011 to create Gygax Magazine and which currently publishes the Top Secret RPG, and TSR3 is the newly launched company.



Catch up on my previous coverage of this story:


TSR3's social media accounts initially sought to distance the company from Ernie Gygax's statements, but within a few hours had reversed course and doubled down on his stance. Note that there have been dozens of social media posts from the company over the last few days, and still continuing as I type this, and I don't intend to share them all here.

(Thanks to Daniel Fox for sharing screenshots below via Twitter).

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TSR2 -- "Update to our earlier tweet - we will NOT be licensing anything from the new company claiming rights to the TSR logos. We are not working with them in any fashion."

Gen Con -- "Gen Con is not associated with TSR Games and we don't support their recent statements. While the foundation of Gen Con is tied with the history of TTRPGs, our goal is to build off the good, acknowledge the bad, and work toward a present free from racism, misogyny, and homophobia."

Gen Con has also indicated that they do not intend to allow TSR3 at the convention.

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GAMA (the Game Manufacturers Association) -- "We’re aware of the appalling statements published by TSR Games and their founder - GAMA does not condone nor agree with any part of it. We pride ourselves on supporting and promoting inclusivity always. Our motto is “A game at every table, a table for everyone”. Transphobia, racism, and sexism will not be tolerated. That means that TSR is not welcome at Origins Game Fair, GAMA Expo or any event affiliated with our organization."

Jeff Dee -- "There is a rumor going around that I am part of this new TSR company. That is not accurate. I have done some work for them as a freelance artist. That’s how I make my living, and spreading the misinformation that I’m now employed full-time by one particular client could stop other clients from approaching me and hurt my business. So, please do not spread that rumor. If I ever become a full-time employee anywhere again, I will announce that myself. Thanks. UPDATE: After investigating reports about statements made by representatives of this new TSR, I have determined that I can no longer do business with them in good conscience. I've returned their downpayment on the next piece of art I was scheduled to do for them. And yeah, I could sure use some new commissions to make up for this big hit on my cashflow"

Jim Ward, an original TSR alumnus and who wrote Giantlands, TSR3's flagship product -- "At the present time I know little or nothing about the relaunch of TSR. Right now I don't see how anyone could pick up where the old company left off. Yes it's a name with some logos, that is all I know."

Luke Gygax -- "FYI- I am not involved with any TSR company nor is Gary Con nor anyone else in my family outside of Ernie. Full stop. That is all ... I have reasons for distancing myself. The way TSR treats people online in their public exchanges is rude. The museum is a for profit business and was asking for donations. Using names of people to promote without their knowledge. Going out of the way to talk gender/woke stuff ... Also basically jacking the TSR logo from Jayson Elliot. The bombastic press releases and claims to old IP. Making a quick nostalgia money grab based on my fathers name and not much else. So I’m making it clear I don’t like this style and I have ZERO to do with TSR"

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TSR3 responds to Luke Gygax

Tim Kask, an original TSR alumnus who worked at the company until 1980, spoke at length on this topic in a YouTube video (below). I've transcribed some bits, but he says a whole load more (ellipses represent sections I have not included, for reasons of brevity), so check out the video for the whole thing.

"There has been bandied about in social media over the last several days several claims about what's going on in Lake Geneva right now. Ernie Gygax made a most egregious mistake in an interview he did on a podcast. He basically waved his bare ass in front of everybody that's concerned about pronouns, and woke, and all that right now in the industry and thumbed his nose at them. The transcript of his podcasts are there for everyone to read. That they were men, and they didn't give a sh*t, and la la la.

But right there they alienated three quarters of the gaming industry. Probably more than that, I don't believe that there's a quarter of the gaming industry that still are the neanderthals that he would make us out to be.

That's another thing. This whole thing has brought the OSR (the old school revival) into serious disrepute. Now there are some little Karens going on some of the social media and painting with the same brush all of us that were there back then based on the stupid ass sh*t that Ernie just said. No. We weren't all like that. And we aren't all like that now. He's a troll, a troglodyte, a neanderthal, if he really means that. It's a foolish person that doesn't wet his finger once in a while and feel the wind shift.

Now there've been claims in a couple of posts, one of which is by Ernie, about how the stalwarts, the old TSR are flocking to the banner. Bullsh*t....

... There is no one of the creative side of TSR from the early days involved with the Dungeon Hobby Shop Museum. No one. Not one creative person. No matter who might be claiming what, they simply do not have the credentials. Being named DiMaggio does not mean you can hit a lot of home runs. Or that you even hit any home runs ....

... Just because you say you're TSR doesn't mean you are."


 
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Russ Morrissey

Russ Morrissey

Dannyalcatraz

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Appreciate your time and concern! Yes. Ernie will do his own thing, it seems rather fated at this juncture. But I have a personal angle in this re, LaNassa. He's parked himself in my home town, lied repeatedly about the company that I was a first-wave employee of, divided a family I love and was ceremoniously, though not legally, adopted by, etc. So, you will understand if I metaphorically pursue the matter to his doorstep whether he answers the doorbell or not.
No, I understand that quite well, and were I in your shoes, I’d be breaking a few chains to get at him myself. I just hope it doesn’t end poorly for you, Luke, and those who see the mess for what it is.

As Steven Moffat once put it.

Demons run when a good man goes to war​

Night will fall and drown the sun​

When a good man goes to war​

Friendship dies and true love lies​

Night will fall and the dark will rise​

When a good man goes to war​

Demons run, but count the cost​

The battle's won, but the child is lost​

 
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No, I understand that quite well, and we’re I in your shoes, I’d be breaking a few chains to get at him myself. I just hope it doesn’t end poorly for you, Luke, and those who see the mess for what it is.

As Steven Moffat once put it.
True. But evil (or BAD, if one prefers) left unchallenged flourishes; and that often involves that good people don't rise to oppose it when it raises its head. The bad tidings have arisen, no? There are many opposing it at this point. How is a multidimensional solution. Appreciate the words of caution. I have a high wisdom score for what it's worth. ;)
 

Dannyalcatraz

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Staff member
True. But evil (or BAD, if one prefers) left unchallenged flourishes; and that often involves that good people don't rise to oppose it when it raises its head. The bad tidings have arisen, no? There are many opposing it at this point. How is a multidimensional solution. Appreciate the words of caution. I have a high wisdom score for what it's worth. ;)
How does it go? “All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.“ Or something like that.

I applaud anyone who has the ability to stand up when others do not. Not everyone who can, will. Not everyone who wants to, can. There’s always a personal calculus involved.
 

How does it go? “All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.“ Or something like that.

I applaud anyone who has the ability to stand up when others do not. Not everyone who can, will. Not everyone who wants to, can. There’s always a personal calculus involved.
Well, I want to talk to this guy, serious talk. I have no expectations other than saying my say and noting his reactions, words vs, actions. When rather than if. Robilar, as noted in my PC description (which I wrote) for the REAL TSR's Rogue's Gallery is that "He is not at all pleasant if tricked." Sounds melodramatic. But then his early fictional journey to Lynn (i.e, in Gary's conception of Oerth, Lynn = modern day France), saw me finally living in France. Sometimes life is stranger than fiction, sometimes it's the same... ;)
 







Mistwell

Crusty Old Meatwad (he/him)
TSR is doing millions of dollars of damage to WotC and to Dungeons & Dragons.
LOL no, they are not. The number of people who have even heard about these topics is a rounding error in the number of people who play D&D, much less the D&D brand itself. Let's not confuse "people who post to message boards about D&D" with "general population of D&D players." And even here, it's only a very small number who would think any less of WOTC or D&D from any of this.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
LOL no, they are not. The number of people who have even heard about these topics is a rounding error in the number of people who play D&D, much less the D&D brand itself. Let's not confuse "people who post to message boards about D&D" with "general population of D&D players." And even here, it's only a very small number who would think any less of WOTC or D&D from any of this.

This.

Basically ignore message boards. Or social media in general.
 





Lyandelill

(She/Her)
Basically, Luke says with words outta his own adult mouth- responding to Meg (the person who was called “disgusting”) that he’s not supporting the positions espoused by TSR3 and those associated with it.

Names names, too.

Clear, succinct, and classy.
Edit: Mixed up names, sorry.
 


Yaarel

Mind Mage
Basically, Luke says with words outta his own adult mouth- responding to Meg (the person who was called “disgusting”) that he’s not supporting the positions espoused by TSR3 and those associated with it.

Names names, too.

Clear, succinct, and classy.

Yeah. The decentness of other members of the family of Gary Gygax helps me feel more confident about the decentness of Gary.

I also became aware of Luke standing up for people earlier, such as on behalf of the Me Too movement for women.
 


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