Complete Scoundrel gives alignments for Batman, James Bond, Riddick, and more...

[prosfilaes]

Magneto is not lawful. He cares nothing of laws of mankind. He's all for mutants over men.

Is a dwarf who cares nothing for the laws of man and who believes in dwarves over men automatically not lawful?

 

[mmu1]

Lawful Good: Batman, Indiana Jones, Dick Tracy
Lawful Neutral: James Bond, Odysseus, Sanjuro (from Yojimbo)
Lawful Evil: Boba Fett, Magneto
Neutral Good: Spider-Man, Zorro
Neutral: Lara Croft, Han Solo (early on), Lucy Westerna (from Dracula)
Neutral Evil: Mystique, Sawyer (from Lost)
Chaotic Good: Robin Hood, Malcolm Reynolds (Firefly), Starbuck (Battlestar Galactica)
Chaotic Neutral: Captain Jack Sparrow, Al Swearengen (Deadwood), Snake Plissken
Chaotic Evil: Riddick, Carl Denham (King Kong)

I'm coming into this really late, but what the hell.

Indiana Jones: Neutral Good, almost certainly. A love of history and a respect for historical artifacts and relics don't make him Lawful, especially when you consider all the rules he breaks when going after said artifacts.

Odysseus: I'd be tempted to call him True Neutral - he does whatever needs to be done, by any means necessary. He's not gratuitously violent or evil, however - and certainly not by the standards of the time...

Starbuck: I'm with the people who say that she is not Good. She's mean, spiteful, self-absorbed (many times her displays of remorese have been tainted with self-pity) and has poor impulse control... She constrantly lashes out at everyone she has a problem with - as a result, in one of the more recent episodes, she definitely helped drive... Cat? (forget her name) to what was effectively a suicide. Yeah, she fights for the survival of humanity, but that's her job. The captain of the Pegasus fought the Cylons too.

Al Swearengen: Al is definitely not Chaotic - he might take advantage of the lack of law enforcement to run his various scams and schemes, but he's actually highly conservative in his personal beliefs, and has a fairly solid - if twisted - code of behavior. He's also not Neutral - he's just a realistic Evil character, instead of a cartoonish one.

Snake Plissken: Neutral? The man's pure evil. He happens to be working (unwillingly) for people who are even worse than he is, but he's an evil, spiteful S.O.B. who doesn't care about anything.

 

[Mighty Veil]

What about Paul Atreides? -Mua'dib!
Lawful Good, too?

LN. His time with the Freeman didn't encourage good. He was born LG. After he awakened, and saw his golden path. A path that would turn him LE. He refused it. I'd say LN, but he was pushed towards it. Otherwise LG.

Leto II was LE. Duncan is LG. He's the most lawful and good character in the series, hence why he was kept by Leto II.

 

[Mighty Veil]

Is a dwarf who cares nothing for the laws of man and who believes in dwarves over men automatically not lawful?

If you're going to follow the alignments how they were set to be. Then yes. If you want to Play the confusing P.C. alignments of today or your own house rule versions. Then Riddick can be LG if you want.

Thisreminds me of someone asking Gary about Neutral (TN). He gave this LONG ying/yang description of what TN was. Gary simply replied: interesting but it's not TN.

Unless today's Magneto is some sort of politican living in a mutant land (I stopped ready reading X-Men years ago). Then he's not lawful. If you believe in and (mostly) follow the control of laws, then you're lawful. Hence the LAW in LAWful. Following popular law of the lands or the world (like the world of mankind, the dominate species in Marvel), means lawful.

 

[Darklone]

I don't see why that description doesn't fit evil. You don't have to have malice or forethought to randomly kill people for their money, and I would consider that evil.

Captain Jacks pirates kicked him off his ship because he DIDN'T do that

 

[Elf Witch]

The new Starbuck took herself off flight status when she realized she was too drunk to fly.

She spoke out loudly and forcefully against shooting down the Olympic Carrier, even though letting it close on the fleet would have been a bad move.

She wanted to give Zac what he wanted, so she let his pass (definately chaotic, but something that can be seen as good).

On New Caprica, when Kacey (I think that's the girl's name) was injured, she was filled with remorse and self-recimination. When it would have been safer to just flee, she risked her life to go back and try and get Kacey out.

Even when she knew Kacey was no longer related to her (and after a whole lot of painful soul searching), she went and saw the girl again, when it would have been a lot easier to just try and ignore her.

As for the cheating and hurting her husband and her best friend... yeah, okay. That's stupid and selfish and dumb and hurtful. Since she's hurting herself just as much with those actions it makes it neutral at best.

Starbuck is no paragon of chaotic good... but she is chaotic good.

Starbuck got drunk because she was pining over Anders. Her not being able to fly when there are so few experienced pilots is risking the entire fleet's safety. That is selfish and self indulgent.

She gets Anders gets her rescue mission marries him even though she is hurting Lee in the process. Lee moves on with bis life marries Dee and now she wants Lee and to hell with two marraiges.

She was kind to Kacey at first but being kind to children does not make you "good" she also struck out at that same child later. Sure she later apoligized. That's Starbuck strike out at people and then say I am sorry. Like that makes the hurt go away.

As for Zac not only did she give him what he wanted but she lied about it for over two years. She knew he was a bad pilot and as his trainer should not have alllowed him to pass basic flight but she did and when he died did she tell the truth and take her lumps no she kept her mouth shut and kept her rank.

The reason why I just don't buy the good anymore in Starbuck is that she follows the same pattern over and over again. She is hurtful to people then full of self destructive guilt over it says she sorry and goes on to do it again.

 

[Voadam]

I don't see why that description doesn't fit evil. You don't have to have malice or forethought to randomly kill people for their money, and I would consider that evil.

Killing people for their money is killing with malice aforethought. Just because the killer does not know the people does not mean the action is not taken with malice aforethought.

 

[Psion]

Starbuck got drunk because she was pining over Anders. Her not being able to fly when there are so few experienced pilots is risking the entire fleet's safety. That is selfish and self indulgent.

That sounds like an assessment of her wisdom more than her alignment.

Not that it isn't pretty muddy, just sayin'...

 

[Morrus]

Somehow I don't think these show writers had D&D alignments in mind when they created the characters!

 

[Elf Witch]

That sounds like an assessment of her wisdom more than her alignment.

Not that it isn't pretty muddy, just sayin'...

As my son always says Starbuck has a wiadom of 3.