Complete Scoundrel gives alignments for Batman, James Bond, Riddick, and more...

[Elf Witch]

I agree with Klaus here. It doesn't really matter that Sawyer is a tormented soul or that he's self destructive. At the end of the day, he destroys lives and hurts everyone around him. That's evil.

Starbuck I could see as CG. Sleeping with someone isn't an evil act. And, while she was involved in the reprisals, she didn't actually do anything. By and large, she risks her life to help those in need. Sounds good to me.

A character from Firefly that I thought would fit well with NE is Jayne. He betrays pretty much anyone around him for enough money. To the point of chucking one partner out of an airplane and selling out the Firefly crew as well. An interesting way of seeing how an evil character can fit in with a (mostly) good party.

I don't get this on one hand you say that Sawyer is evil because he destroys lives and hurts people. But Starbuck through her actions has hurt a lot of people is chaotic good. :\

Starbuck with her drunkeness has at time risked lives of her fellow pilots. By breaking the rules she got her lover Zac killed. She is a married woman cheating with a married man thus destroying two men.

She is a childish selfish self destructice she is chaotic all right but I wouldn't call her good.

 

[Loincloth of Armour]

Starbuck with her drunkeness has at time risked lives of her fellow pilots. By breaking the rules she got her lover Zac killed. She is a married woman cheating with a married man thus destroying two men.

She is a childish selfish self destructice she is chaotic all right but I wouldn't call her good.

The new Starbuck took herself off flight status when she realized she was too drunk to fly.

She spoke out loudly and forcefully against shooting down the Olympic Carrier, even though letting it close on the fleet would have been a bad move.

She wanted to give Zac what he wanted, so she let his pass (definately chaotic, but something that can be seen as good).

On New Caprica, when Kacey (I think that's the girl's name) was injured, she was filled with remorse and self-recimination. When it would have been safer to just flee, she risked her life to go back and try and get Kacey out.

Even when she knew Kacey was no longer related to her (and after a whole lot of painful soul searching), she went and saw the girl again, when it would have been a lot easier to just try and ignore her.

As for the cheating and hurting her husband and her best friend... yeah, okay. That's stupid and selfish and dumb and hurtful. Since she's hurting herself just as much with those actions it makes it neutral at best.

Starbuck is no paragon of chaotic good... but she is chaotic good.

 

[Cthulhudrew]

He regularly breaks the law when he feels that his goals are more important. (The same reason that Batman shouldn't be Lawful Good, incidentally.)

I suppose, but I think this is one of those situations where the definitions of Law/Chaos are murky.

As a general rule, Spidey is a pretty law-abiding citizen, and he certainly holds criminals to the standards of the law- as well as doing his best to make sure that they are made accountable for their actions before society's system of justice. Additionally, he's got the whole mantra of "with great power" which is a pretty solid personal code.

At the same time, as you say, he has been known to engage in a little breaking and entering if the situation called for it, and he is a vigilante, technically- which means he's operating outside the law in his heroics.

I guess I can see the argument for him being Neutral rather than Lawful, but I think it could go either way.

 

[pawsplay]

Jack Sparrow is a playable CE, not CN.

 

[Felon]

Additionally, he's got the whole mantra of "with great power" which is a pretty solid personal code.

Captains Barbosa's famous quote is quite applicable here. It's not so much a "code" as what ye call a "guideline".

As inspirational as Uncle Ben's creed is, it doesn't provide Spidey any particular rules of conduct, just a general imperative to behave responsibly. We are supposed to identify with the character because he doesn't behave like he's got all the answers. He's usually conflicted about whether the greater good is served by following the rules or breaking them. It's that ambivalence that I think makes him an exemplary Neutral Good character.

 

[theredrobedwizard]

Jack Sparrow is a playable CE, not CN.

This was the only one that really stuck out in my book. Being the protagonist does not make one un-evil.

I was going to say Neutral Evil, as he's basically concerned only with his own welfare, but not baseless slaughter of everyone else.

Look how easily he traded away Will to Davy Jones. How easily he sold out the entire rest of the Black Pearl's crew. How he had to be forcably restrained through legerdermain to do anything resembling "noble" or "good".

Neutral Evil with Chaotic tendencies.

-TRRW

 

[Nyeshet]

This is just one of those things that not everyone's going to agree with. There's a lot of blurred lines between all the alignments and I feel a lot of these could go different ways.

Didn't AD&D do something like this? I think it was something like a character could be LN (LG), that is to say LN with Lawful Good tendencies? Or am I misremembering something?

 

[Nyeshet]

As inspirational as Uncle Ben's creed is, it doesn't provide Spidey any particular rules of conduct, just a general imperative to behave responsibly. We are supposed to identify with the character because he doesn't behave like he's got all the answers. He's usually conflicted about whether the greater good is served by following the rules or breaking them. It's that ambivalence that I think makes him an exemplary Neutral Good character.

I could not agree more.

 

[Banshee16]

If we go simply by the tales we're told of him, Riddick is CE. It's just that the movies show us caring about that girl/woman, something CE doesn't preclude.

Didn't Raistlin care, in some manner, for Crysania? And he was definitely CE...

Banshee

 

[Unkabear]

I am all for adding a alignment identifier to the alignment. To add for the good side of neutral ect. Though adding an extra line on the character sheet would be bulky.

Alignment NG Tend Toward G

Truth be told the whole system is buggy. I really don't push the whole alignment thing unless a player plays a paladin, exalted or otherwise alignment bound character.