Complete Warrior Samurai Thread

[Mercule]

Personally, I like the CW Samurai. In fact, I hope they stick it in the PH when there's an opportunity. Why? Then there's a different class that has TWF and they can remove that wart from the Ranger.

Other than that, I can't see a whole lot of use for the CW Samurai. It certainly doesn't deserve that name.

 

[Mercule]

Edit: Frickin' double post.

 

[Gez]

Again.

Core class == class in the core rules.
The core class are the Barbarian, Bard, Cleric, Druid, Fighter, Monk, Paladin, Ranger, Rogue, Sorcerer, Wizard; the Adept, Aristocrat, Commoner, Expert, Warrior; and the Arcane Archer, Arcane Trickster, Archmage, Assassin, Blackguard, Duelist, Dragon Disciple, Dwarven Defender, Eldritch Knight, Hierophant, Horizon Walker, Loremaster, Mystic Theurge, Red Wizard, Shadowdancer, Spellsword.

Base class: 20-level class a character can start in.
The base classes are Adept, Aristocrat, Barbarian, Bard, Cleric, Commoner, Druid, Expert, Favored Soul, Fighter, Healer, Hexblade, Marshal, Monk, Paladin, Psion, Psychic Warrior, Ranger, Rogue, Samurai (OA), Samurai (CW), Shaman, Shugenja, Sohei, Sorcerer, Swashbuckler, Warmage, Wizard. I would list also the core classes from Dragonlance (Mystic, maybe some other) and the Kalamar Player's Guide (Gladiator, Scout, Spellsinger, and some other), as both books have the Official D&D License stamp, but I don't have these resources handy.

 

[jester47]

The Enforcer

I like the CW samurai. Don't know why. However I think it does point out a mechanic that is missing- that is the mechanic of a warrior that is bonded in some way to a Lord, General, or somthing else.

It seems to me that the CW samurai is very much a "milk run" character. The lord has him carry out tasks for him. When he shows up, everybody listens.

<jester47 thinks>

Aha! The CW samurai is essentially a "Texas Ranger." Sort of a one riot one samurai sort of character.

So if I were to use this class (very well may) I would probably call a character that took it an "Enforcer." Cause if you look at the abilities, that is what he is. He shows up and intimidates everyone into following what his leader, general, house don, or whatever wants. I get images of the "texas rangers" and "the professional."

yup, CW samurai = the Enforcer Class.

Aaron.

 

[Gez]

So, you'll just have to ditch the dual-wielding (unless you rename it Texas Ranger rather than Enforcer, of course), and the class can actually find a consistant niche.

 

[Tsyr]

Hint, Gez: When a term has reached the status of common parlance, treating the rest of us like we are ignorant children (When we have admitted that we are using it the way we are using it regardless of original meaning) for using it in a way other than originaly intended isn't going to work, or make any friends.

 

[Gez]

 

[Remathilis]

An element people might have overlooked (at least something I saw when I looked at the class.)

The OA samurai is one of two classes built around the Rokugan/Clan system (Shukenja being the other.) Unlike the other "reprinted" classes from the orginal OA (Wu-Jen, Shugenja/Shaman, Yakuza, Ninja(spy)) the samurai didn't resemble its 1st edition class in any way, shape, or form. The original OA samurai was a fighterly type which had damage bonuses based on level, specialization in katana and bow, some two-weapon style ability, and fear inducing powers.

Sounds mighty similar to the CW samurai.

The OA samurai is very Rokugan specific, and WotC (waxing nostaligic, IMHO) decided to recreate the "classic" 1e samurai rather than reprint/edit the OA one. There may even be legal reason NOT to use the OA one (AEG liscense on the class? Who knows, but I bet neither the OA samurai nor the Shukenja ever see printing in another WotC book, due to thier specific ties to the mythology and style of Rokugan.)

Something to consider.

 

[Krieg]

An element people might have overlooked (at least something I saw when I looked at the class.)

The OA samurai is one of two classes built around the Rokugan/Clan system (Shukenja being the other.) Unlike the other "reprinted" classes from the orginal OA (Wu-Jen, Shugenja/Shaman, Yakuza, Ninja(spy)) the samurai didn't resemble its 1st edition class in any way, shape, or form. The original OA samurai was a fighterly type which had damage bonuses based on level, specialization in katana and bow, some two-weapon style ability, and fear inducing powers.

Time to break out your 1E OA as "two-weapon style ability" was in no way connected to the Samurai within.

 

[Remathilis]

Time to break out your 1E OA as "two-weapon style ability" was in no way connected to the Samurai within.

Really? I thought that they could use their daishido without penalty. Of course, I have known to be wrong... from time to time...