Converting Creatures from Other Campaign Settings
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Cleon
Legend
The first two are OK by me.
Updating the Gladiator Lizard.
While I agree on not making them bigger, I'd prefer 8–16 HD (Large) or perhaps 8–20 HD (Large).
There's precedent for 3E monsters advancing to over double their base HD without an increase in size.
I vaguely recall a fair bit of to-and-froing over the type, including the notion that the Lizard was a Magical Beast and the Bleak One was a Monstrous Humanoid.
Would you prefer Monstrous Humanoid? It'd be a fairly simple change, just:
Large Monstrous Humanoid
Hit Dice: 7d8+35 (66 hp)
Saves: Fort +9, Ref +7, Will +6
Feats: Combat Reflexes, Cleaveᴮ, Great Fortitude, Improved Initiative, Power Attackᴮ, Weapon Specialization (talon)ᴮ, Weapon Focus (talon)ᴮ
Hit Dice: 7d8+35 (66 hp)
Saves: Fort +9, Ref +7, Will +6
Feats: Combat Reflexes, Cleaveᴮ, Great Fortitude, Improved Initiative, Power Attackᴮ, Weapon Specialization (talon)ᴮ, Weapon Focus (talon)ᴮ
freyar
Extradimensional Explorer
Sure, I'd prefer 8-16 HD, but I don't mind 8-20 HD if you really want.
Here are the important quotes on type, but it didn't make it to the working draft:
Here are the important quotes on type, but it didn't make it to the working draft:
I definitely prefer Monstrous Humanoid (and that was my first instinct, too).
Cleon
Legend
Let's use the eight to sixteen version then.
Updating the Gladiator Lizard.
I did find the Outsider (Native) proposal slightly tempting too, but that'd require a bit more work as we'd need to change the Skills too.
Perhaps:
Large Outsider
Hit Dice: 7d8+35 (66 hp)
Saves: Fort +10, Ref +7, Will +8
Feats: Balance +10, Climb +14, Hide +8, Intimidate +11, Listen +11, Move Silently +12, Spot +11, Survival +11, Swim +14
Feats: Combat Reflexes, Cleaveᴮ, Improved Initiative, Iron Will, Power Attackᴮ, Weapon Specialization (talon)ᴮ, Weapon Focus (talon)ᴮ
Hit Dice: 7d8+35 (66 hp)
Saves: Fort +10, Ref +7, Will +8
Feats: Balance +10, Climb +14, Hide +8, Intimidate +11, Listen +11, Move Silently +12, Spot +11, Survival +11, Swim +14
Feats: Combat Reflexes, Cleaveᴮ, Improved Initiative, Iron Will, Power Attackᴮ, Weapon Specialization (talon)ᴮ, Weapon Focus (talon)ᴮ
Would be OK with the above Monstrous Humanoid too.
freyar
Extradimensional Explorer
Let's go with Monstrous Humanoid for the lizards and Native Outsider for the Egg Guy (even if he's a Bleak One, he will forever be Egg Guy for me). We could give the lizards the (extraplanar) subtype, I guess.
CR 6 I guess. They're a little better than a girallon but not as good as a hill giant, I think.
CR 6 I guess. They're a little better than a girallon but not as good as a hill giant, I think.
Cleon
Legend
As mentioned earlier, I think we can stat Egg Guy as a hazard so it doesn't actually need a type.
The lizards definitely shouldn't have the Extraplanar subtype as they are Prime Material entities of some kind as far as I know.
No need to make them vulnerable to exorcism!
Updating the Gladiator Lizard.
Cleon
Legend
My initial gut reaction is Gladiator Lizards are more like Challenge Rating 5.
Combat wise they've really only got their unusually high Armour Class going for them.
Potential damage output is much worse than a Girallon: 2d10+16 vs 10d4+1d8+36, or 27 vs 65½ if we ignore the odds of a critical. That's 242.59% the damage of a Gladiator Lizard.
The Lizard does hit more often with its +13 melee though, or +15 with Hive Mind and a double-teaming brood mate.
So is 6 points more AC and a bit higher odds to hit equivalent to 140% more damage?
Hmm, they would approximately balance if a typical melee opponent had a 25% chance of hitting the Lizard, as they'd then have a 55% chance of hitting a Girallon for 1/2.2 times the DPR. That'd mean a hit roll of 16+ or an opponent with +7 to hit. That is a slightly low for a 6th-level combat specialist though.
Well their various fighter feats give them ways to boost their DPR using Combat Reflexes or Cleave to get an extra attack or two, and they can Power Attack soft targets to raise the damage.
Guess that could nudge them over the line to Challenge Rating 6.
How about a Large Earth Elemental as a comparison? That's CR 5. A Large Gnome has similar HP, is pretty tough (AC 18 and DR 5 might eyeball as roughly equivalent to AC 23) and does slightly more damage (4d8+14 for 32 on average) with a bit less accuracy (+12 melee).
It has much worse saves than a Gladiator Lizard though, which should count for something.
Hmm… having trouble deciding.
They could be a weak CR 6 or a strong CR 5.
Cleon
Legend
That works for me.
Updating the Gladiator Lizard.
How's this:
A gladiator lizard seeks to close to melee as soon as possible. Brood-mates usually attack the same opponent to take advantage of their hive mind.
These creatures may appear brutish, but they are actually smarter than many humanoids and will use combat tactics such as feints, ambushes and distractions when they think those would be advantageous. As they lack manipulative appendages, they cannot use equipment or operate devices, but they can understand what they do and account for their use by enemies.
Gladiator lizards are extravagantly ferocious and rarely run from a fight, but have been known to retreat in order to lure a foe into some disadvantageous position.
