Converting Oriental Adventures creatures

[Cleon]

I'd go with Su too; I don't ever remember Godzilla ever being an experienced psionics user.

Why do you think he got on so well with Miki the Psychic Girl?

Getting back to Gargantuan R, what damage shall we give its natural weapons?

I would be happy keeping the originals 3d10 claws, 6d10 bite, 8d10 tail and 10d10 trample.

 

[Shade]

Those damage values appeal to me.

Updated.

Suggested tail sweep damage? A Colossal+ dragon deals 4d6 with a tail sweep (compared to its 4d8 tail slap). Perhaps 8d8, a die type less than its 8d10 tail slap?

Do we want to give it a crush attack like true dragons? If so, crush usually deals the same damage as a dragon's bite attack (6d10 in this case).

 

[freyar]

Wowsers, looking good.

8d8 on the tail sweep and a 6d10 crush sound fine to me.

Anything left before skills and feats?

 

[Shade]

Updated.

We still need trample damage. 6d10 like the crush?

We also need to fill in the blanks on swallow whole:

Swallow Whole (Ex): A reptilian gargantua can try to swallow a grabbed opponent of Huge or smaller size by making a successful grapple check. Once inside, the opponent takes xdx+x points of crushing damage plus xdx+x points of acid damage per round from the gargantua's digestive juices. A swallowed creature can cut its way out by dealing x points of damage to the gargantua's digestive tract (AC x). Once the creature exits, muscular action closes the hole; another swallowed opponent must cut its own way out. A reptilian gargantua's gullet can hold 2 Huge, 8 Large, 32 Medium, 128 Small, or 512 Tiny or smaller creatures.

We also need the natural armor bonus.
The tarrasque's bonus is +30.
A great wyrm gold dragon is +40.
A force dragon is +49 when it first reaches Colossal size, while a prismatic dragon is +47.


Skills: 4 at 67 ranks
Jump, Listen, Spot...

Feats: 22 (15 can be epic)
Awesome Blow, Cleave, Devastating Critical (bite), Dire Charge, Great Cleave, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Critical (bite), Improved Critical (claws), Improved Initiative, Multiattack, Overwhelming Critical (bite), Power Attack, Power Critical (bite), Weapon Focus (bite) ...

 

[Cleon]

Wowsers, looking good.

8d8 on the tail sweep and a 6d10 crush sound fine to me.

Anything left before skills and feats?

The original did 8d10 with a tail sweep, so I'd have its tail slap do more damage, maybe 8d12?

Similarly, it did 10d10 with a trample, which I find very tempting. It's hardly anything compared to a Devastation Beetle's 30d10+24, after all.

Finally, I'd rather its Crush do more damage than its trample since it's a more focused, concentrated pressure - how about 10d12?

So I'm proposing:

Claw 3d10
Bite 6d10
Tail-Sweep 8d10
Tail-Slap 8d12
Trample 10d10
Crush 10d12

That out to earn them some respect!

 

[Cleon]

Swallow Whole (Ex): A reptilian gargantua can try to swallow a grabbed opponent of Huge or smaller size by making a successful grapple check. Once inside, the opponent takes xdx+x points of crushing damage plus xdx+x points of acid damage per round from the gargantua's digestive juices. A swallowed creature can cut its way out by dealing x points of damage to the gargantua's digestive tract (AC x). Once the creature exits, muscular action closes the hole; another swallowed opponent must cut its own way out. A reptilian gargantua's gullet can hold 2 Huge, 8 Large, 32 Medium, 128 Small, or 512 Tiny or smaller creatures.

6d6+Str crushing plus 4d6 acid?

We also need the natural armor bonus.
The tarrasque's bonus is +30.
A great wyrm gold dragon is +40.
A force dragon is +49 when it first reaches Colossal size, while a prismatic dragon is +47.

I was thinking somewhere around the 30s but they don't have a Tarrasque's thick shell, which might argue for a lower NA.

Would it be easier to decide on an AC and then work backwards?

Skills: 4 at 67 ranks
Jump, Listen, Spot...

Survival to reflect their "super-tracking"?

Feats: 22 (15 can be epic)
Awesome Blow, Cleave, Devastating Critical (bite), Dire Charge, Great Cleave, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Critical (bite), Improved Critical (claws), Improved Initiative, Multiattack, Overwhelming Critical (bite), Power Attack, Power Critical (bite), Weapon Focus (bite) ...

Those all look good.

Add in Improved Multiattack and Track?

 

[Shade]

Agreed to the additional feats, Survival, and damage.

Updated.

The issue with the armor is we need it to be decent for its probable CR. Thus, it needs to improve upon the tarrasque's. Compared to other dragons near its CR range, I'd place it around CR 39-42. That means its AC needs to be at least 50. I can't really see justification for a deflection, insight, or other non-natural armor bonus, so it almost needs a bonus of +47 to offset its size penalty (minus Dex bonus).

 

[freyar]

Well, at similar HD, the force and prismatic dragons have +59 and +62 natural. So maybe +47 isn't so ridiculous.

Some possibilities for the feats: Snatch, Legendary Leaper, Superior Init, Stand Still, Epic Will, Epic Reflexes.

 

[Cleon]

Agreed to the additional feats, Survival, and damage.

Updated.

The issue with the armor is we need it to be decent for its probable CR. Thus, it needs to improve upon the tarrasque's. Compared to other dragons near its CR range, I'd place it around CR 39-42. That means its AC needs to be at least 50. I can't really see justification for a deflection, insight, or other non-natural armor bonus, so it almost needs a bonus of +47 to offset its size penalty (minus Dex bonus).

It doesn't fly, cast spells or have any ranged attacks, so it likely has a CR noticeably lower than a True Dragon with the same HD.

That said, I don't object to it having an AC of 50.

It's a nice round number, after all.

 

[Cleon]

Well, at similar HD, the force and prismatic dragons have +59 and +62 natural. So maybe +47 isn't so ridiculous.

Some possibilities for the feats: Snatch, Legendary Leaper, Superior Init, Stand Still, Epic Will, Epic Reflexes.

Those all look good to me.

Looking at its feats list I don't much care for Power Critical. With the attack bonus it's got it's not going to miss very often! Maybe swap it for Blind-Fight or Combat Reflexes?

Also, we might as well swap the Weapon Focus (bite) for Epic Prowess, which gives it a +1 on all its attacks instead of just one.