Converting Oriental Adventures creatures

[Shade]

Fair enough. Updated.

CR 12?

 

[freyar]

Works for me. Do we want to list the CR for the "adolescent" advanced one also?

 

[Cleon]

Fair enough. Updated.

It's still got Daddy's saves, they should be Fort +15, Ref +9, Will +10.

CR 12?

That feels a little high, let me mull it over...

Let's see, we made Papa CR 27 and he's got 51 more HD.

The normal Advancement Rule is +1 CR per +2 Dragon HD. With 51 HD the adults would be 25 CR higher, plus they get +2 CR for being 2 sizes larger which would make Junior ...

Challenge Rating 0!

Hmm, that doesn't seem quite right!

If we say he's +1 CR per +3 HD and ignore size changes that'd make the adults +17 CR (51/3 = 17), giving Junior...

Challenge Rating 10!

CR 10 feels better. It's 1 CR more than a Triceratops, which has similar hps and trample damage, a better standard attack (Gore +20 2d6+15 vs claw +22 melee 1d10+11) but no DR and much worse AC and saves.

I could see us going to CR 11 to account for its full-attack damage capacity, swallow whole and tail-sweep, but CR 12 feels a bit high.

I'll vote for Challenge Rating 11 then.

That does suggest the grown-up version should be CR 28, if not higher.

 

[Shade]

CR 11 and CR 28 work.

Updated.

 

[Cleon]

Works for me. Do we want to list the CR for the "adolescent" advanced one also?

Yes I do.

In fact I think we should give it a full stat treatment, since it's got quite a few changes from the Baby version.

 

[freyar]

You want to do that, then?

 

[Cleon]

You want to do that, then?

Who me?

You know I'm not an obsessive statter-upper, what makes you think I'd fancy doing it?

I'll whip something up this evening if I can find time.

 

[Shade]

<shudders>

As long as this one is the exception, not the rule, I'll live with it.

 

[Cleon]

<shudders>

As long as this one is the exception, not the rule, I'll live with it.

Okay then. Using the Advanced Young notes we've got, I'll set the abilitie scores halfway between the baby and the adult's and plug in some appropriate feats.

How about this?:

Advanced Young
When a young gargantua advances to Gargantuan size, its statistics improve to the following:

Juvenile Reptilian Gargantua
Gargantuan Dragon
Hit Dice: 32d12+320 (464)
Initiative: +5
Speed: 40 ft. (8 squares), swim 30 ft.
Armor Class: 39 (–4 size, +1 Dex, +32 natural), touch 7, flat-footed 38
Base Attack/Grapple: +32/+60
Attack: Claw +44 melee (2d10+16/19-20)
Full Attack: 2 claws +44 melee (2d10+16/19-20) and bite +43 melee (4d10+8) and tail slap +42 melee (5d12+24)
Space/Reach: 20 ft./15 ft. (30 ft. w/tail)
Special Attacks: Crush 6d12+24, frightful presence, improved grab, swallow whole, thunderous roar, tail sweep 5d10+24, trample 6d10+16
Special Qualities: Damage reduction 10/epic, darkvision 60 ft., empathic sense, fast healing 15, immunity to sleep and paralysis, light sensitivity, low-light vision, water breathing
Saves: Fort +28, Ref +19, Will +20
Abilities: Str 43, Dex 13, Con 31, Int 6, Wis 14, Cha 20
Skills: Jump +55, Listen +37, Spot +37, Survival +37, Swim +24
Feats: Awesome Blow, Blind-Fight, Dire Charge, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Critical (claws), Improved Initiative, Multiattack, Power Attack, Snatch, Track, Weapon Focus (bite)
Environment: Any coastal land or aquatic
Organization: Solitary or family (1 plus 2 adults)?
Challenge Rating: 18?
Treasure: None
Alignment: Always chaotic neutral
Advancement: 33-63 HD (Gargantuan)
Level Adjustment: —

 

[Shade]

Updated. Finished?