Converting World of Greyhawk monsters

[Krishnath]

I suggest using telepathy, with the special note that it can only speak via telepathy to one creature at a time. (or some such).

 

[BOZ]

so a sort of "lesser" telepathy?

 

[Krishnath]

Yes.

 

[BOZ]

is there anything like that in the books, or shall i invent it?

posting in homebrews.

 

[Shade]

I think you'll have to invent it.

 

[BOZ]

Simple enough actually, and the psuedodragon makes a good example.

Telepathy (Su): An ingundi can communicate telepathically with a single creature within a range of 100? feet that has a language.

needs something to say that the creature cannot normally detect that the communication is telepathic - maybe the illusion moves its mouth while the telepathy is going on.

 

[diaglo]

the vapor rat appears in the ToEE CRPG

Spoiler

inside the first dungeon level of the temple second corridor room 109 iirc

 

[BOZ]

thanks diaglo.

how's that telepathy sound?

 

[diaglo]

a lesser telepathy sounds reasonable. that way the non telepath can block thoughts, just like others wanting to not hear a conversation plug their ears.

 

[Shade]

Cool idea. How about this...

Lesser Telepathy (Su): An ingundi can communicate telepathically with a single creature within a range of 100? feet that has a language. The creature believes that the ingundi is speaking in a language that it knows, and will reply verbally to the ingundi. The victim may attempt a DC X Will save to reveal that the communication is telepathic. Other creatures hear only a one-sided conversation from the ingundi's victim. The save DC is Charisma-based.

 

[BOZ]

i like... updating!

 

[BOZ]

The Charm Monster power needs to get written. Should be just a spell-like ability description with a few alterations as listed. Would be DC 16 I think.

CR: 1 or 2?

LA (if any)?

Skills (ranks): Bluff +1, Disguise +1, Listen +2, Spot +2 ?

Feats: still need one more

Detect Thoughts caster level?

Saving throw for Lesser Telepathy: DC 14?

 

[Shade]

The Charm Monster power needs to get written. Should be just a spell-like ability description with a few alterations as listed. Would be DC 16 I think.

DC 16 sounds right.

CR: 1 or 2?

I'd say 2. It's comparable to a bugbear in power.

LA (if any)?

I'd say +3. A doppelganger is +4, and the ingundi has the same abilities but lacks unbalanced ability scores.

Skills (ranks): Bluff +1, Disguise +1, Listen +2, Spot +2 ?

Sounds good.

Feats: still need one more

I like Multiattack, so that its claws aren't at a negative attack modifier.

Detect Thoughts caster level?

3rd? It doesn't matter much, since it has it continuous.

Saving throw for Lesser Telepathy: DC 14?

Yep.

 

[BOZ]

Something like:
Charm Monster (Sp): An ingundi can charm monster (at will? X/day?). caster level X, Will save DC 16. The ingundi cannot charm any creature on which it has not used detect thoughts. The save DC is Charisma-based.

CR 2 then and LA +3?

OK, got Ability Focus (charm) and Multiattack – need one more feat.

 

[Shade]

Charm Monster (Sp): An ingundi can charm monster (at will? X/day?). caster level X, Will save DC 16. The ingundi cannot charm any creature on which it has not used detect thoughts. The save DC is Charisma-based.

I like the writeup. At will? Do we want to account for this...

"During the first round, it attacks with a +4 bonus to its attack roll and automatic surprise."

CR 2 then and LA +3?

That's what I'm recommending.

OK, got Ability Focus (charm) and Multiattack – need one more feat.

Why? Is one of those a bonus feat? (It gets one feat at 1 HD and another at 3 HD, for a total of 2, right?)

 

[BOZ]

I like the writeup. At will? Do we want to account for this...

"During the first round, it attacks with a +4 bonus to its attack roll and automatic surprise."

that is a sort of surprise bonus due to the opponent being charmed and totally unsuspecting an attack from its new "friend". if we did use that, how could we put it?

Why? Is one of those a bonus feat? (It gets one feat at 1 HD and another at 3 HD, for a total of 2, right?)

d'oh! i confused myself with my own notes. guess we only need those two after all.

 

[Shade]

that is a sort of surprise bonus due to the opponent being charmed and totally unsuspecting an attack from its new "friend". if we did use that, how could we put it?

Perhaps add to the charm ability...

A charmed opponent is considered flat-footed against the ingundi's first attack upon him.

Whaddya think?

 

[BOZ]

sounds good - i put it in the flavor text instead. how about 6th-level caster for charm monster?

 

[Shade]

6th-level sounds fine.

 

[BOZ]

Should we have an “Ingundi as characters” section? Medusas, hags, and harpies do not have one at all, and sahuagin, derro, and kuo-toa only have a paragraph or two instead.