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I would recommend--though you have like seen/heard this elsewhere, apologies--also not using particularly hoppy beers for something slow-cooked like this. Anything malt-focused seems likely to work, as honestly would something like a witbier. I'd think something like a dubbel would also work, but those tend to have some fruit at least around the edges and they might drift your corned beef in a Carbonnade-ish direction that might not work with corned beef.

Here ends Beer Nerd Corner. :LOL:
I generally don’t buy super hoppy beers. I don’t particularly care for their flavor, so I wouldn’t cook with them either. I was thinking about possibly using a witbier or the like.👍🏽

Any recommendations off the top of your head?

Also, the grand finale:
 

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I generally don’t buy super hoppy beers. I don’t particularly care for their flavor, so I wouldn’t cook with them either. I was thinking about possibly using a witbier or the like.👍🏽

Any recommendations off the top of your head?

Also, the grand finale:
Sorry for the delay--I had a failure of reading comprehension and didn't see that you'd asked for recs.

Allagash White is probably my favorite in the style, though Hoegaarden is easy to find and a good example. Ommegang make a superb one, as well, as does St. Bernardus (though that one might be a bit expensive to cook with). I hear Blue Moon is even a pretty convincing one, but I ... haven't tried it, because reasons.

A note, in case it matters: Witbiers generally are spiced with bitter orange peels and coriander seed, which might make a difference in how you'd season your beef.
 

So, vegetarians and chili purists, avert your eyes. This was tonight's dinner ...

Pork chili with disappearing apples
by the Humble Chef

What you'll need
Ingredients
½ cup of water (boiling)
About 3lbs. boneless Boston butt (pork), cut into ~1" chunks (starting from 3.5 lbs, trimming excess fat)
1.5 lb. ground pork
6 strips bacon (applewood-smoked is nice, here) chopped
3 dried ancho peppers
3 dried guajillo peppers
3 dried cascabel peppers
3 chipotle chiles in adobo sauce, minced
(It may be possible to make substitutions in the chile peppers)
2 tbsp ground cumin
1/2 tsp cayenne
3 bay leaves, crumbled
2 tbsp dried oregano
1 tsp ground coriander
1/4 tsp ground cloves
¼ tsp ground ginger
1.5 tsp freshly-ground black pepper
1.5 tsp ground cinnamon
2 medium-to-large onions, diced or minced (somewhere toward the fine end of that)
4-6 cloves of garlic, minced (or through a garlic press)
1 red bell pepper, cut about as fine as the onions
2 bottles of Paulaner Salvator, Tröegs Tröegenator, or similar amber Doppelbock
1 14.5-oz. can of fire-roasted diced tomatoes (or crushed if you prefer)
3-4 Granny Smith (or other baking) apples, cored and peeled and cut into ½” chunks (about a pound, before coring, etc.)
2 tbsp cider vinegar
1 tbsp soy sauce
1 tbsp tomato paste
1 tbsp chili sauce
2 tbsp lime juice
Tabasco sauce
Salt
Freshly-ground black pepper
{If desired, 3 tbsp corn starch and 3 tbsp water, mixed to form slurry}
1 ½ tsps pork (or chicken) soup base (e. g., Better Than Boullion), in enough boiling water to dissolve

Equipment
A water kettle (or some other way to boil water)
A Dutch oven or a soup pot big enough to cook the chili in, at least 7 quarts
A stick blender and/or food processor

What you'll do
1. Preheat oven to 350 F. Place all the dried peppers on a baking sheet and bake for ~5 minutes, or until you can really smell them. Tear the dried peppers in half, remove seeds and large ribs, coarsely chop. Mince the chipotles. Puree in ½ cup water. Add cumin, cayenne, coriander, bay leaves, and oregano to make a paste. Set aside.
2. Preheat the oven to 300 F. Season the pork chunks generously with salt.
3. In the pot you're going to make the chili in, cook the bacon over medium-low heat until fat is rendered and bacon is crisp, probably not more than 10 minutes. Remove bacon to paper-towel-lined plate. Remove bacon fat to small bowl or heat-proof measuring cup (which will be easier to pour from).
4. Increase heat to medium-high. Cook the ground pork, then set aside; remove rendered fat from pot. Working in batches, brown the pork chunks, adding bacon fat as necessary. Reserve all the pork in a bowl and set aside.
5. Lower heat to medium. Add 3 tbsp of bacon fat to the pot, then saute the onions and red pepper until softened, maybe 5-6 minutes. Add garlic and saute until fragrant, about 1 minute. Add chile mixture and saute until fragrant, maybe 2-3 minutes.
6. Add bacon and pork. Add lime juice, tomato paste, chili sauce, soy sauce, vinegar, tomatoes, adobo sauce, beer, cinnamon, black pepper, cloves, ginger, and apples. Dissolve soup base in just enough boiling water, and add that. Stir to combine.
7. Bring to boil, then cover and place in oven and cook for ~2 hours, stirring every hour, or until meat is tender and apples have broken down and dissolved and juices are dark and rich and starting to thicken.
8. If desired, add cornstarch slurry. (We haven’t needed to, ever, cooking it on the stovetop or in the oven.)
9. Adjust seasonings with generous amounts of salt, black pepper, and Tabasco sauce.
Serve in bowls drizzled with crema and topped with shredded cheese and maybe chopped cilantro.
 

Sorry for the delay--I had a failure of reading comprehension and didn't see that you'd asked for recs.

Allagash White is probably my favorite in the style, though Hoegaarden is easy to find and a good example. Ommegang make a superb one, as well, as does St. Bernardus (though that one might be a bit expensive to cook with). I hear Blue Moon is even a pretty convincing one, but I ... haven't tried it, because reasons.

A note, in case it matters: Witbiers generally are spiced with bitter orange peels and coriander seed, which might make a difference in how you'd season your beef.
The orange peel is why I haven’t used Blue Moon yet. Didn’t realize that was a common ingredient in the type.

Might not be best with corned beef, but it might work with a regular brisket.
 

The orange peel is why I haven’t used Blue Moon yet. Didn’t realize that was a common ingredient in the type.

Might not be best with corned beef, but it might work with a regular brisket.
Yeah, some sort of citrus is standard with witbiers. The German (and German-style) hefeweissens won't have any fruit or spice in them but the yeasts will make flavors like bananas and cloves.

There are American wheat beers that are neither of those, but they tend to have a bit more hops in them.

I think your approach of sticking to beers you enjoy drinking is likely to keep you in good stead, here, just because you'll probably be able to tell if the beer is bringing flavors you want--or don't want--in your corned beef/brisket. I will say that something like a German-style lager--Helles (light) or Dunkel (dark) might play well.
 

i have used Blue Moon- as well as Shiner Blonde, Kirin, etc.- for beer-braised pork and gotten great results. But I don’t think the fruitier notes you going to find in beers would usually work for beef.

Wines and spirits, though…. You can get some great beef dishes with those for certain.
 

Stouts and porters work well in recipes with beef--the pork chili recipe I posted has a sister recipe that's beef, with a big porter or stout. I've made Carbonnade with both a Belgian dubbel and a wee heavy (Scotch ale) and had good results both ways.

That said, if I'm cooking meat in a skillet and the plan is for a pan sauce, I'm deglazing with spirits.
 


A couple years ago, I had a bottle of bourbon that I had to decant due to it developing a crack. I used it to make a pan sauce for steaks SO MANY TIMES over the next few weeks.

(First world problems.)
Pan sauces are just fun. I do them once or twice a week, with (usually) pork or chicken. Steak (including the possibility of bison) is more of a special-occasion thing. I've found that I can use less of, say, crema (or peanut butter or apple butter) to finish the pan sauce than I would heavy cream. If there's a spirit in the house that's suitable for drinking neat, I've probably at least tried it in a pan sauce. Well, not the Bruichladdich (until it ends up in the Infinity Bottle ...). :LOL:
 

. If there's a spirit in the house that's suitable for drinking neat, I've probably at least tried it in a pan sauce. Well, not the Bruichladdich (until it ends up in the Infinity Bottle ...). :LOL:
And THAT is one difference between a home cook an a Michelin star restaurant. Their standards for what they’re willing to cook with are less bound by cost. If a spirit is merely expensive (as opposed to rare and/or no Linder made), they’ll at least consider using it.

“Excuse me. Why is your steak au poivre so expensive?”

“Because we use a $1000 a bottle scotch to make the pan sauce. And before you ask- yes, totally worth it.”
 

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