Core Handbook Errors Discussion

[ExploderWizard]

Sorry about the typo!

Interesting about the lower level version. The paragon version at level 16 doesn't seem much better, frankly. You can cast some extra utility spells while maintaining it, I suppose.

Ah. So it appears Greater Invisibility is a misnomer now. Has anyone found anything that permits attacking while invisible, even for a round or two?

 

[Mengu]

Ah. So it appears Greater Invisibility is a misnomer now. Has anyone found anything that permits attacking while invisible, even for a round or two?

I hope not. One of my very few 3.x house rules was to cross out that spell.

 

[w_earle_wheeler]

Don't worry, guys! The core books will be error free. There will be no 4.5 edition. These aren't the droids you're looking for.

http://www.enworld.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4218854&postcount=3

bmelee: Please note that Scott was writing in the spirit of mirth in the above link. )

 

[Benly]

Ah. So it appears Greater Invisibility is a misnomer now. Has anyone found anything that permits attacking while invisible, even for a round or two?

Hide In Plain Sight, a rogue utility power, renders you invisible until you leave the square you're standing in. Nothing else you do will make you visible, including attacking.

 

[themilkman]

Hide In Plain Sight, a rogue utility power, renders you invisible until you leave the square you're standing in. Nothing else you do will make you visible, including attacking.

Rogues have another daily utility power (Hide from the Light) that allows them to make basic and at-will attacks and move 2 squares without becoming visible.

Cloak of Invisibility makes you invisible until the end of the encounter, or until you are hit by an attack. Making attacks should be okay.

Other than that, attacking from invisibility gives you away.

 

[ShinRyuuBR]

Why is a fighter attack 1 equal to an attack 3, plus extras?

Steel Serpent Strike - Encounter
Fighter Attack 1
Standard Action; Melee weapon
Target: One creature
Attack: Strength vs. AC
Hit: 2[W] + Strength modifier damage, and the target is
slowed and cannot shift until end of your next turn.

Dance of Steel - Encounter
Fighter Attack 3
Standard Action Melee weapon
Target: One creature
Attack: Strength vs. AC
Hit: 2[W] + Strength modifier damage.
Weapon: Weapon: If you’re wielding a polearm or a heavy blade, the
target is slowed until the end of your next turn.

 

[GoodKingJayIII]

Why is a fighter attack 1 equal to an attack 3, plus extras?

Steel Serpent Strike - Encounter
Fighter Attack 1
Standard Action; Melee weapon
Target: One creature
Attack: Strength vs. AC
Hit: 2[W] + Strength modifier damage, and the target is
slowed and cannot shift until end of your next turn.

Dance of Steel - Encounter
Fighter Attack 3
Standard Action Melee weapon
Target: One creature
Attack: Strength vs. AC
Hit: 2[W] + Strength modifier damage.
Weapon: Weapon: If you’re wielding a polearm or a heavy blade, the
target is slowed until the end of your next turn.

That... is an excellent question.

I think because it denotes a specific weapon, you get to add that weapon's bonus to the power, e.g., heavy blades add Dex to damage. (Don't recall what polearms get).

The question is... do they add dex to damage on specific powers, or all the time? I believe it's the former, but I need to read the books.

 

[Belphanior]

The section on magic armor (page 227 PHB) mentions +5 black iron dragonscale armor.

Such armor doesn't exist. It should be wyrmscale.

 

[maragin]

MM index errors

I posted this over on the wizards board, but I like this board as well.

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I made my DM monster spreadsheet today with all the monsters, level, xp, role, and page number. Here are the errors found just in the index in the back of the book.

* Ice Archon Hailscourge not found in index (Page 21, Level 16 Artillery)
* Ancient Blue Dragon incorrectly listed as Adult Blue Dragon
* Dusk Unicorn incorrectly listed as Unicorn
* Vine Horror Strangler listed, no entry in book

I have not cross-referenced to see if the listed monster levels are correct.

 

[Oldtimer]

Interesting about the lower level version. The paragon version at level 16 doesn't seem much better, frankly. You can cast some extra utility spells while maintaining it, I suppose.

Another interesting (but probably meaningless) difference between the two, is that it's not a copy-paste job with just range and sustain changed. The line about attacking with Invisibility reads:
"If the target attacks, the target becomes visible."
But for Greater Invisibility it reads:
"If the target attacks, the power ends."

Strange. I would have used copy-paste (but then I'm lazy).

 

[salsb]

containing strike

Steel grace (under Swordmaster path features) refers to "Containing strike", but I don't see that power. Though I could have missed it.

 

[WhatGravitas]

Another interesting (but probably meaningless) difference between the two, is that it's not a copy-paste job with just range and sustain changed. The line about attacking with Invisibility reads:
"If the target attacks, the target becomes visible."
But for Greater Invisibility it reads:
"If the target attacks, the power ends."

Strange. I would have used copy-paste (but then I'm lazy).

Even more strangely: You could argue that the invisibility doesn't end, the target just becomes visible again. And since you're sustaining it, the effect (invisible until end of next turn) would kick back again. Because the power never ended.

Cheers, LT.

 

[samursus]

Page 159.

Cloud of Daggers:
Area 1 square within 10 squares.

I've never seen any other spell only effect 1 square. I think this is supposed to be 'Area Burst 1'.

Not a typo I don't think...look at:

Target: each target in square

 

[Canageek]

Ok, from my fully legal DMG (only got shipped that one, seen another person on the WoTC board who said the same thing, not from Buy.com)

On pg202, point 14. The Bluffs ..."and roll about 2d6 [ts] 10 feet"
I bet thats supposed to be a * (or rather the nice pretty x that WoTC books use for times)

Also on pg 176 in the "DUPLICATE OR CONFLICTING MONSTER ABILITIES" box, 2nd paragraph "on page xx of the Player's Handbook"

Not trying to hash out every mistake like some people, just figure that if I point these out now when my friends get the second printing they won't have these errors.

Also can someone fill in what these are supposed to read?

I've also posted it at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=15982348#post15982348
(Yes I'm one of those odd creatures who likes 4e so far, I'm on pg203 of the DMG as I've been talking about what I'm reading on IRC as I go, and doing other things, but so far its the best DMG I've read)

 

[marune]

- Elixirs are mentioned in various places, but not included in the magic items chapter.

- In the MM glossary, the last sentence of the Change Shape entry is not clear at all (The creature must have seen the individual it is imitating and gains a +20 bonus to its Bluff check.)

- In the PHB, Carrying/Lifting/Dragging. 10 x STR = normal load. A wizard with 10 STR can carry 100 lbs as a normal load ?

 

[frankthedm]

The Large Oni's Great sword deals 2d6, rather than the 1d12 the weapon sizing rules seem to call for. This might be just exception based design, but just maybe the Greatsword is suppoded to be a 1d12 weapon.

 

[Family]

Y'all have been noticed. Time to keep bringing your "A" game.

Me: "Is the thread addressing Core Rulebook Errors of benefit?"

An single place where gamers can post errors they find is useful. We have an errata team forming, and I'll point them to that thread.

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Book: "What are we up to, sweetheart?"
River: "Fixing your Bible."
Book: "I, um, what?"
River: "Bible's broken. Contradictions, false logistics; doesn't make sense."
Book: "No, no. You, you can't..."
River: "So we'll integrate non-progressional evolution theory with God's creation of Eden. Eleven inherent metaphoric parallels already there. Eleven. Important number. Prime number. One goes into the house of eleven eleven times, but always comes out one. Noah's ark is a problem."
Book: "Really?"
River: "We'll have to call it early quantum state phenomenon. Only way to fit 5000 species of mammal on the same boat."

 

[Belphanior]

- In the MM glossary, the last sentence of the Change Shape entry is not clear at all (The creature must have seen the individual it is imitating and gains a +20 bonus to its Bluff check.)

How is this not clear? If a monster tries to make itself look like a specific person it must know what that person looks like, and it gets a +20 bonus to the opposed bluff/insight check. What's the problem?

 

[beverson]

In the PHB, Carrying/Lifting/Dragging. 10 x STR = normal load. A typical human (NPC) can carry 100/110 lbs as a normal load ???

An ADVENTURER'S normal load. That section is specifically written for Player Characters, who are, of course, heroes. I would imagine that either the DMG notes it's different for NPC's or normal townsfolk, or it's one of the things the designers left for the DM to decide on his own. I personally will be adjusting that to a more reasonable level for the non-heroic types, as I see fit.

 

[marune]

An ADVENTURER'S normal load. That section is specifically written for Player Characters, who are, of course, heroes. I would imagine that either the DMG notes it's different for NPC's or normal townsfolk, or it's one of the things the designers left for the DM to decide on his own. I personally will be adjusting that to a more reasonable level for the non-heroic types, as I see fit.

This formula doesn't make sense for low-strength hero anyway (forget the NPC example).