could Arcane Discipline turn a sorcerer into a cleric?

[Thanee]

Pointed out by who? Is it in the Complete Divine errata? I'll have to check...

PHB (key phrase: 'as a cleric can')

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Thanee

 

[RigaMortus2]

PHB (key phrase: 'as a cleric can')

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Thanee

By that logic, the only class the feat would work with is Druids and Paladins. Wizard's don't prepare or cast spells "as a cleric can" because they (a) don't pray for their spells and (b) get their spells from a spell book, which a Cleric doesn't have to do.

I think the phrase "as a cleric can" simply refers to the fact that clerics can drop one of their spells and exchange it for a healing spell. If you make the phrase "as a cleric can" any broader than that, the feat only becomes useful for a handfull of classes that get their spells exactly like clerics do (have the whole list of spells as their class list, have to prepare spells ahead of time, pray for their spells, etc.)

 

[nittanytbone]

For a sorcerer who wants to be able to heal, the easiest thing to do is buy a few ranks of UMD cross-class. You can get most of the synergies for this skill, your charisma is high, and the DC to activate a wand of CLW is only 20.

Plus, UMD is much more versatile int he long run.

 

[pawsplay]

Pointed out by who? Is it in the Complete Divine errata? I'll have to check...

Someone pointed out that that the feat specifies you can use a prepared spell to cast a cure spell. It does not say, state, or imply you can use a spell slot to cast a cure spell.

 

[Thanee]

By that logic, the only class the feat would work with is Druids and Paladins. Wizard's don't prepare or cast spells "as a cleric can" because they (a) don't pray for their spells and (b) get their spells from a spell book, which a Cleric doesn't have to do.

That's not necessary, they only need to have a prepared spell to spontaneously turn into a cure spell, because that's what the cleric can do. It's irrelevant how the spells are being prepared. The phrase only speaks of the conversion into a cure spell, not of anything else.

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Thanee

 

[Iku Rex]

PHB (key phrase: 'as a cleric can')

And what can you do like a cleric? The answer is in the same sentence: "use your spellcasting ability to spontaneously cast cure spells (from your class spell list)". That's it. You don't have to be able to prepare spells in order to "spontaneously cast cure spells".

 

[Thanee]

Actually, you do...

A good cleric (or a neutral cleric of a good deity) can channel stored spell energy into healing spells that the cleric did not prepare ahead of time. The cleric can “lose” any prepared spell that is not a domain spell in order to cast any cure spell of the same spell level or lower (a cure spell is any spell with “cure” in its name).

...because that's how a cleric spontaneously casts a cure spell.

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Thanee

 

[Iku Rex]

Actually, you do...

Really? So a bard (spontaneous caster) can't possibly cast cure light wounds spontaneously.

...because that's how a cleric spontaneously casts a cure spell.

It does not follow. The feat does not refer to a specific, named, game mechanic. (Even though it could have done so.)

Any character with this feat can use his spellcasting ability to spontaneously cast cure spells (from his class spell list). Clerics can use their spellcasting ability to spontaneously cast cure spell (from their class spell list). Thus, it is true that a character with this feat can use his spellcasting ability to spontaneously cast cure spells (from his class spell list) just as a cleric can.

I know you disagree with the first sentence in the above paragraph, but you can't prove me wrong by pointing out that your interpretation contradicts with mine.

 

[Sejs]

If a sorcerer chose the Arcane Discipline feat and selected the Healing domain, doesn't this essentially allow him to be a cleric since he would have access to all of the Cure spells?

Not particularly, no.

They're not even as good a healer as a bard that picked up the cure spells from their bard pool. The sorcerer now needs a decent wis (10 + spell level), and can only cast that domain spell of a given level once per day.

It's nice to be able to whip out the healing in a pinch, but the sorcerer is a far cry from challenging the cleric to the King Healer crown.

 

[pawsplay]

It does not follow. The feat does not refer to a specific, named, game mechanic. (Even though it could have done so.)

Other than prepared spells.