Hey Dykstrav!
Dykstrav said:
Seems like a step backwards to me. Didn't modern roleplaying games evolve out of wargames, which are essentially abstracted board games?
I don't seehow simplifying something to erase the minutiae of book-keeping and help in the creative aspects, while simultaneously providing a more visceral and attractive product which could sell to the mass market is a step backward.
Dykstrav said:
The fact of the matter is roleplaying games aren't everyone's cup of tea.
A lot of people will never be given the chance to find out because D&D is not readily sold to the mass market.
Dykstrav said:
I don't thing RPGs will ever be as mainstream as movies or video games, no matter how much you simplify them or tone down the options (which is exactly what you do when you simplify the game).
But why should RPGs be unnecsssarily complicated. 3rd Edition has so many 'moving parts' that could either be streamlined or sidelined (to an advanced rulebook) altogether.
Dykstrav said:
I'm not trying to be elitist, but RPGs definitely cater to the 'smarter than the average bear' market. People who prefer an RPG over a board game or video game desire the freedom and control that they get, which is precisely what you'd lose by stripping the game down into a board game format.
Again don't think of it like that.
What I am proposing would still have Classes, Multiclasses, Races, Prestige Classes, Feats, Spells, Magic Items, Wealth, Hit Points, Armor Class and (limited) Skills etc.
So tell me exactly what are we stripping down?
Dykstrav said:
Seems to me that this format would try to make RPGs sell better by making them into a variant style of board game instead of a RPG, while trying to keep the old players on board through the strength of the brand. I wouldn't be interested in buying a 4E marketed this way, and I suspect there are alot of people out there who wouldn't either. Then you'd get a White Wolf situation like they have with the new World of Darkness...
Its still an RPG - we are just including board tiles/miniattures/cards as standard!
Dykstrav said:
Now on the other hand, I'd be interested in buying a boxed set that was sold essentially as a "dungeon kit" that contained an adventure, including the battle maps/dungeon tiles and the miniatures that go with it. I could see the Sunless Citadel of the Forge of Fury selling well this way. Maybe even an Undermountain series with expansions released twice a year or so.
You see this to me is hypocrisy.
You'd buy an RPG with a "dungeon kit" and minis.
But you wouldn't support my idea - which is an RPG with a dungeon kit and minis.
