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Cameron said:
Ah. I see. I forgot about the difference in pay scale between here and the States. Down here in NZ, the average pay for a supermarket checkout operator is in the region of 12-14 dollars an hour, depending on your length of service. The cost of living is much higher, though, but you can save a lot faster if you are disciplined about it.

You might want to think about long-range hauling with those 18 wheelers? I heard that is good money over there?

I did long range hauling. Gone from home for far to long, and too stressful. I'd rather be home and work two jobs than be gone and work one. She agrees. Did that for a year and a half and ended up gaining over 70 pounds and some health problems. Since I stopped driving over the road a couple months ago I've lost around 50 (due to diet and exersice), and most of my health issues are gone (mostly due to exersicing I think). Anyway, its not too much of an option.
 

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Cevalic said:
I did long range hauling. Gone from home for far to long, and too stressful. I'd rather be home and work two jobs than be gone and work one. She agrees. Did that for a year and a half and ended up gaining over 70 pounds and some health problems. Since I stopped driving over the road a couple months ago I've lost around 50 (due to diet and exersice), and most of my health issues are gone (mostly due to exersicing I think). Anyway, its not too much of an option.
It's a fast option. I didn't say it was a safe one ;)

But yeah, good luck on the ring. And try not to do silly things like propose in a hot air balloon. Someone down below might end up being very happy. You, however, might not :p
 

If you and your future fiance are open to such things, you may want to look into an alternative like Moissanite which has most of the same properties as a diamond.

About the stone and it's history.
http://www.moissanite.com/heritage.cfm
(It's only been found naturally in space! :) but the rings you'd buy would be man made. )

Here's an online jewelry store that sells them, and I've had great service with.
http://www.bellajewelryco.com/engagement.htm

When these stones first came out jewelers were unable to tell the difference. In 2001 ABC's 20/20 show did a special on them.
"20/20 took a one carat moissanite ring to 10 jewelers in the Washington, D.C. area and asked them to examine it and make a rough estimation of its value. Five of them thought the $600 moissanite ring was a real diamond worth thousands. It even tricked an electronic diamond detector."
You can google and find the video online at some sites still. They now have tests to detect them 100%, because of the way the light refracts in them. But obviously none of our friends or family knew any different, until we told them.

My fiance felt strongly against the practices of the diamond industry, (The industry is really pretty shady if you care to do some quick research online) and actually talked me into going this route. It was hard for me to come around to the idea at first, since we've all been brought up with the "diamond is forever" spiel lately, but now I couldn't be happier!

Think of all the more important things you can do with that money. It's something you should discuss with your future-fiance first though.

Anyways that's my 2 cents. ;)
 

The_lurkeR said:
If you and your future fiance are open to such things, you may want to look into an alternative like Moissanite which has most of the same properties as a diamond.

About the stone and it's history.
http://www.moissanite.com/heritage.cfm
(It's only been found naturally in space! :) but the rings you'd buy would be man made. )

Here's an online jewelry store that sells them, and I've had great service with.
http://www.bellajewelryco.com/engagement.htm

When these stones first came out jewelers were unable to tell the difference. In 2001 ABC's 20/20 show did a special on them.

You can google and find the video online at some sites still. They now have tests to detect them 100%, because of the way the light refracts in them. But obviously none of our friends or family knew any different, until we told them.

My fiance felt strongly against the practices of the diamond industry, (The industry is really pretty shady if you care to do some quick research online) and actually talked me into going this route. It was hard for me to come around to the idea at first, since we've all been brought up with the "diamond is forever" spiel lately, but now I couldn't be happier!

Think of all the more important things you can do with that money. It's something you should discuss with your future-fiance first though.

Anyways that's my 2 cents. ;)
Shady? You mean about the whole de Beer affair over in Australia? :p
 

You've already gotten a lot of advice on one side of your problem, let me take a stab at the other side.

For the record, I design jewelry as a hobby, with designs ranging in value from $50 to $50K, materials from glass and semiprecious stones to diamonds over 3ct size and platinum.

1) The best deal in jewelry is estate jewelry. Often you can find very nice things that, were they made today, would cost 4-5x as much. A jeweler I work with routinely acquires findings (like rings without stones set in them) from estate sales- he can buy filigree ring findings and sell them for as little as $50. You can't buy a filigree ring from a major chain for that money, and you definitely can't get one made for that price- its lower than the cost of the gold in the ring.

2) The second best deal in jewelry is custom work from a reputable private jeweler- you know- the guys who have just a little store in the corner of a strip mall or some such. This is where I usually operate.

One of my Dad's assistants was getting married and her fiancee gave her a budget for her ring. She found one she liked at a major retailer. I referred her to one of the guys I usually work with, and he put her in a ring of the same style with a better mount (platinum instead of gold), and a diamond 2x the size and better quality than the one she saw in the store- for $500 less than the one in the store.

The chains have all that high overhead to deal with- rent in high-end malls is buh-rutal! With a private jeweler, you can use the Johnny Cash "One Piece at a Time" method- you buy the diamond loose when you find a good one (or set- whatever); you buy your casting gold when the price is low. If you're not going the pure custom route, you can place your stone in a standard setting from one of the jeweler's catalogs or from his selection of estate findings.

How do you find a good private jeweler? Check with your BBB to find a good guy. Ask around your circle of friends. A good jeweler should take the time to educate you as to the cut, color, clarity and carats of the stones he's trying to sell you so you can find the right combo for you.

Depending upon your time frame, you should also check out the travelling Intergem show closest to your location (http://www.intergem.com/).

Some of the guys I've met at the Intergem show can be found online. 2 gem suppliers/cutters with whom I've been dealing for years are Bill Vance (at http://vancegems.com/index.asp?bhcp=1) and John Rhoads (at http://djraregems.com/index.html).

(As I recall, Treebore on these boards is a pro jeweler- you might want to track him down for advice.)

3) The third best deal in jewelry is returns to major retailers. Zales and others often have jewelry that someone has paid for in part, or returned for some reason and possibly abandoned. They can't sell the stuff as new, so they often sell it for the balance of what is owed, or at least at greatly reduced prices. I often shop these stores for deals.

A Reality Check on the practices of the diamond industry: while I abhor the blood diamonds and the monopoly control de Beers tries to exert (but which is crumbling, largely due to Russia), you can find similar histories behind almost any of the high-end (natural) stones. Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, Tourmalines, Tanzanite, Gold-in-Quartz...all have a dark side. Heck, even the precious metals you set the stones in exact a cost in human lives.

Do I buy blood diamonds or other conflict stones? No, not if I can help it, nor does any reputable jeweler. But there is only so much a consumer who wishes to buy the real thing can do. Caveat Emptor.
 

Cevalic said:
She wants a diamond. Thats the one thing thats non-negotiable with her. Although she doesnt seem to care too much about the quality of it.

Ainatan, the only reason Im working two jobs is to save money faster. My first job (main job) has been hit or miss for hours due to the shipping of ore boats. We've had bad luck with the limestone coming in on time or at all some weeks (I haul limestone from an ore dock to a mine 15 miles away). I wouldnt need the second job if we were operating at our normal capacity (around 55 hrs a week), although Id still take the second job. And I'd still be selling this stuff sooner or later, it would just be going to something stupid like a PS3 or something else I dont need. Putting it towards a ring is something that makes me smile. I dont consider a sacrifice at all. Plus Im gaining a wife. I'm not sure I share your views about marrige, as far as the purpose of marriage, but to each his own. Thanks for the view though. I can see what your saying, even if I don't agree with it.


If she doesn't care about the quality of it I can tell you of a diamond supplier, privately, where you can get a low quality, but real/genuine/authentic/not fabricated, 1 carat diamond for $250.00. It still looks good.

If your interested PM me or e-mail me at b o r z o i a d d i c t at yahoo dot com.

Put "diamond for ENWolrlder" in th esubject line so I know it isn't SPAM if you e-mail me directly.

I only want to hear from the OP, no one else.
 


Dannyalcatraz said:
Speak of the devil and he shall appear! :)

:D

I hadn't read your previous post until now. I don't do jewelry, I only do stones. Faceting and cabbing. I can do mounting, but do my best not to.


I should show you some photo's of some new rough material I got in from Africa. The hugest Hessonite rough I have ever seen, very clean and not oily looking, a huge Mali Garnet, and some excellent Saphires. 3 grams+ on the Sapphires, and 32 grams on the Hessonite. The Mali is 17 grams. They will cut very nice stones.
 

Just a little out of the box thinking: you could lessen your anxiety over the bid amounts if you decrease your revenue goal. In other words: consider buying a less expensive ring.

My brother's engagement ring (bought for his wife-to-be) was a beautiful, giant saphire set in silver. It was an antique, which meant it was about 1/6 the price of a comparable quality brand-new ring. Seems like an antique diamond would be similarly inexpensive.

Just an idea--do what you want to do. It's your moment, your day. :)

And congratulations on the decision to propose!
 


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