Cover and Spellcasting

[IceBear]

Kreynolds, I don't think you are reading the same thread as me.

I saw where you stated what you would support. In my opinion, you would not support a "lean and shoot attack" based on that quote I gave earlier.

From what I read, Caliban did not "attack you" he just clarified that he did not support a lean, shoot, lean back approach, and then provided the rule quote as to why he would support a lean and shoot.

After this, yes, things got ugly, but from where I sit, it appeared that you, and not Caliban, started it.

IceBear

 

[kreynolds]

Because it wasn't showing agreement, as I pointed out. Your post seemed to indicate that I was advocating a "lean out, shoot, lean back" approach, when I did never did. Apparently you were commenting on someone else's post, and not mine. If that's the case, you really need to indicate that better.

And that excuses you for your attitude? Sure thing.

You did not blatantly and obviously agree with me. In fact, it appeared that you accepted only part of what I was saying and disagreed with another part.

Once again, I point you to this post of mine...

Currently, the closest you can come to this is "take a 5-foot step, cast your spell, use your haste partial action to move back behind cover".

If you can't understand that, it's not my problem. And you still have yet to give me an excuse for you poor attitude towards me.

I haven't been "too crazy about you" (as you put it) because of the attitude and general lack of respect you show other people. The thread you are referring to was just the first time I had to deal with it personally. The "beating" you took had nothing to do with you being right or wrong, it had to do with how you treated people you were debating with.

Now that's almost a good excuse for your attitude towards me. But what is this, a frickin' daycare? Are we all just gonna cry over spilt milk? Are we all gonna cry every time someone pops in and says "You're wrong."? I'm not sure if you noticed, but in the beginning, when I first joined these boards, I was polite to you, even thankful for your help. So I didn't just pop up and start slandering people.

I don't attack people without a reason. I don't go around looking to pick a fight. I don't have that kind of time. But don't get me wrong. If you pick a fight with me, I will make the time to finish it, and I promise you this; if you pick a fight with a guy who is a bigger bastard than you, you'll lose.

I don't care about my reputation. I care about and am polite to the people that do help, such as IceBear, Artoomis, SpikeyFreak, Crothian, Hong, CRGreathouse, KarinsDad, and a few others. When any of these people are unsure as to what someone is trying to say, they ask. They don't just fly off the handle and start bashing someone left and right because they hold an old grudge. And just so we're clear, I could give a rat's rear about the beating I took. When I say "beating", I mean that I had to waste precious minutes of my time explaining myself on a message board.

 

[kreynolds]

Kreynolds, I don't think you are reading the same thread as me.

I saw where you stated what you would support. In my opinion, you would not support a "lean and shoot attack" based on that quote I gave earlier.

From what I read, Caliban did not "attack you" he just clarified that he did not support a lean, shoot, lean back approach, and then provided the rule quote as to why he would support a lean and shoot.

After this, yes, things got ugly, but from where I sit, it appeared that you, and not Caliban, started it.

IceBear

You're entitled to your opinion and I'll respect that.

 

[Caliban]

And that excuses you for your attitude? Sure thing.

I don't believe I was showing a poor attitude. You seemed to be having trouble understanding me, so I was trying to make it very clear what I was saying. You decided to throw a fit after that. Apparently this is daycare.

Once again, I point you to this post of mine...


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Originally posted by kreynolds
Currently, the closest you can come to this is "take a 5-foot step, cast your spell, use your haste partial action to move back behind cover".
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If you can't understand that, it's not my problem. And you still have yet to give me an excuse for you poor attitude towards me.

And that post is describing a seperate situation than the one I was talking about. You really don't seem to be understanding this.

I never referred to using haste to step out from behind the corner, cast a spell, and them move back behind the wall (except when I acknowledged your mention of it).

I'm talking about an unhasted mage leaning out from behind the wall (without taking a 5' step), casting their spell (and getting 1/2 or 3/4 cover from their target until their next action), and then on their next action (usually on the next round) casting a second spell and then taking a 5' step back so that they get full cover. On their next action they can 5' step back to the corner, and repeat the process.

Now that's almost a good excuse for your attitude towards me. But what is this, a frickin' daycare? Are we all just gonna cry over spilt milk? Are we all gonna cry every time someone pops in and says "You're wrong."?

Apparently this is only appropriate when discussing my attitude towards you. We are just supposed to accept the way you treat everyone else.

I'm not sure if you noticed, but in the beginning, when I first joined these boards, I was polite to you, even thankful for your help. So I didn't just pop up and start slandering people.

In the beginning you tried to treat me like we were old friends and suck up to me. When that didn't work you became confrontational. I wasn't impressed then, and I'm not impressed now. Give it a rest.

I don't attack people without a reason. I don't go around looking to pick a fight. I don't have that kind of time.

Then why do you do it? This thread could have ended quite some time ago if you hadn't started making personal attacks instead of asking for clarification.

But don't get me wrong. If you pick a fight with me, I will make the time to finish it, and I promise you this; if you pick a fight with a guy who is a bigger bastard than you, you'll lose.

That explains why you have been on the receiving end so far.

I don't care about my reputation. I care about and am polite to the people that do help, such as IceBear, Artoomis, SpikeyFreak, Crothian, Hong, CRGreathouse, KarinsDad, and a few others. When any of these people are unsure as to what someone is trying to say, they ask.

When I am unsure of what you are saying, I do ask. Thus far on this thread, you seemed to be making coherent points, then have tried to backpeddle and claim you meant something else when I proved one of them wrong. Sounds like you should have asked for clarification earlier.

They don't just fly off the handle and start bashing someone left and right because they hold an old grudge.

Right, we leave that to you. Once again, I didn't start anything on this thread until you copped an attitude and made a direct personal attack against me.

And just so we're clear, I could give a rat's rear about the beating I took. When I say "beating", I mean that I had to waste precious minutes of my time explaining myself on a message board.

Sure buddy. Whatever you say.

 

[kreynolds]

OK, Cal. You still have the mistaken impression that I care. I didn't suck up to you and I surely didn't see you as "an old friend". Not once. If you think I was sucking up to you, get off it, cause I wasn't.

It's funny, I haven't heard anyone else complaining about how I treat others. You're the only one I've had to listen to so far. And I didn't need clarification about this argument at any point. In my original post to you on this thread, I didn't say you were wrong. I didn't attack you. I was simply replying to you and making a general comment. You took it personal, not me.

But the best part about all of this is how dedicated you are to defending your "title" against someone who doesn't give a damn about titles. You are text on a screen Caliban, nothing more, nothing less. That's it. That's all there is too it. To me, you're just like everybody else. You don't deserve any more respect from me than anyone else, though lately you've been getting far less from me, which isn't my fault.

You were the one that threw a tissy because I believed I was right about Haste and speed weapons. You were the one that got all ticked off when you found out that I was indeed correct. You were the one that picked the fight. You. Not me. Sure, sure, it's only my opinion. But I'll tell ya', only what I believe makes a difference. I don't care how you see this. You have made it clear that you cannot be and do not wish to be civil with me. No problem. I assure you my heart won't break. And as far as me being on the receiving end, well, I'm not entirely convinced of that, and as I said, only what I believe really counts. So, believe what you want. It doesn't make a lick of a difference to me.

Also, notice that I don't speak for everyone else. You just believe that you do. Let me know how that goes for ya'.

 

[Caliban]

OK, Cal. You still have the mistaken impression that I care. I didn't suck up to you and I surely didn't see you as "an old friend". Not once. If you think I was sucking up to you, get off it, cause I wasn't.

It's funny, I haven't heard anyone else complaining about how I treat others. You're the only one I've had to listen to so far. And I didn't need clarification about this argument at any point. In my original post to you on this thread, I didn't say you were wrong. I didn't attack you. I was simply replying to you and making a general comment. You took it personal, not me.

You seem to have a somewhat distorted perception of the past then.

Numerous people pointed out your attitude in the Haste Thread, including the part you seemed to acting overly "buddy buddy" with me. In just this thread Icebear commented that you were the one being aggressive and attacking me.

But the best part about all of this is how dedicated you are to defending your "title" against someone who doesn't give a damn about titles. You are text on a screen Caliban, nothing more, nothing less. That's it. That's all there is too it. To me, you're just like everybody else. You don't deserve any more respect from me than anyone else, though lately you've been getting far less from me, which isn't my fault.

Exactly what title is it that you think I am defending? I've never referred to one, or claimed one. Any title or reputation I might have comes solely from what others choose to think of me.

You were the one that threw a tissy because I believed I was right about Haste and speed weapons.

So disagreeing with you and having my own opinion is a tissy? Whatever you say.

You were the one that got all ticked off when you found out that I was indeed correct.

I was never ticked off, and you were never "proven" right. As I stated, the Sage didn't address the contradiction I had pointed out, and as such his answer to the query didn't help.

Until we get a more detailed explanation (or the Speed ability is errata'd), the answer to that issue is still unclear.

You were the one that picked the fight. You. Not me.

Exactly what fight did I "pick"? What are you carrying on about?

Sure, sure, it's only my opinion. But I'll tell ya', only what I believe makes a difference. I don't care how you see this. You have made it clear that you cannot be and do not wish to be civil with me.

On the contrary, I've been very civil with you. You chose to attack me, and as such I no longer feel quite the same need to spare your feelings.

No problem. I assure you my heart won't break. And as far as me being on the receiving end, well, I'm not entirely convinced of that, and as I said, only what I believe really counts.

How humble.

So, believe what you want. It doesn't make a lick of a difference to me.

Hmmm.... If it doesn't matter, why do you insist on replying?

Also, notice that I don't speak for everyone else. You just believe that you do. Let me know how that goes for ya'.

Well, according to you, no one else's opinion counts except for yours, so it makes sense that you only speak for yourself.

Although if my opinion doesn't matter to you, why do you spend so much time discussing it?

 

[kreynolds]

Although if my opinion doesn't matter to you, why do you spend so much time discussing it?

Ever wonder who's really playing who?

 

[Caliban]

Ever wonder who's really playing who?

Not really. I have never claimed that your opinion is worthless or pointless. So far I have only seen you make the claim that no one's opinion is important except your own. (And people accuse me of hubris. )

I happen to think everyone's opinion or input has value, even when I disagree with it. As such, I ususally try to give them the courtesy of replying, even if it is only to explain why I have a different opinion. Sometimes we can come to an agreement.

I try to give everyone a certain amount of respect, until they indicate that they no longer deserve it.

 

[kreynolds]

Not really. I have never claimed that your opinion is worthless or pointless. So far I have only seen you make the claim that no one's opinion is important except your own. (And people accuse me of hubris. )

I happen to think everyone's opinion or input has value, even when I disagree with it. As such, I ususally try to give them the courtesy of replying, even if it is only to explain why I have a different opinion. Sometimes we can come to an agreement.

I try to give everyone a certain amount of respect, until they indicate that they no longer deserve it.

Wow. I'm really moved. I think I need to go to the bathroom.

 

[coyote6]

It's funny, I haven't heard anyone else complaining about how I treat others.

Well, FWIW, I think you've acted rather like an ass. I just don't particularly care, ergo no comments. But since you seemed to be asking . . .