Crawling & Haste

[Animal]

hello, folks. need some help with the rules here.
a prone characters wants to crawl forward. i tell him, that he can crawl as a move action for 5-feet. he activates his boots of haste and says that his land movememnt speed is now doubled.
i felt that it was wrong. after the game i looked up my books but i couldn't find there anything that proves him wrong. it's written in haste spell description that land movement is doubled and i couldn't find a refutation for crawling being a land movement. maybe i;m looking in the wrong book or maybe i was wrong after all?

 

[ceratitis]

why do you feel its so wrong? a hasted char could crawl twice as fast as one that isnt meaning he'd crawl 10 ft per round. i fail to see the problem.
welcome to the boards
Z

 

[Animal]

why do you feel its so wrong? a hasted char could crawl twice as fast as one that isnt meaning he'd crawl 10 ft per round. i fail to see the problem.

there was just no specification on this in the rules so i doubted.. still would appreciate some quotes from the rules.

welcome to the boards Z

thanks.

 

[Animal]

my buddy here says that as long as crawling speed is fixed haste shouldn't increase it like it doesn't make 5-foot-step increase to 10-foot-step.
i think this example is not very suitable, cuz 5-foot-step is not a move action, it's a free action, right? but does haste increase speed of ANY move action? and where is it written?

 

[Sithobi1]

Your land speed is doubled, but crawling is a special case. A level 20 monk with 90 land speed still only crawls 5 ft.

 

[Animal]

even if he's under haste effect?
please do post some quotes. i checked in Underdark where there was some stuff about crawling but it doesn't specify this issue either.

 

[Kieperr]

PHB pg 142 under Move Actions, Move.
"Crawling: You can crawl 5 feet as a move action."

This is very straight forward. Crawling is not based on your speed. If it were, then a halfling would crawl slower than a human in the same circumstances. Remind the player that he is prone and that while prone he is limited to crawling. Just because he can walk faster while upright does not mean he can crawl faster while prone. Haste adds to your speed and since crawling is not based on speed Haste has no effect on crawling.

 

[Infiniti2000]

Where'd you get the idea that his speed is doubled? It may end up being doubled and the restriction is "...to a maximum of twice the subject’s normal speed using that form of movement." But, the wording does not say what your friend is inferring. Because of that (the rules on the haste spell) and the quote Kieperr provided, you can only crawl 5ft, regardless of total speed or spell effects unless they explicitly increase the crawl move action.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Agreed with Kieperr.

 

[ceratitis]

i disagree but i accept that the letter of the rules is 5 ft. just try crawling, you can crawl at verious speeds. if i were to house rule i'd say a base crawl move is 5ft for medium and small creatures, 2.5 for tiny, 10 for large ect...
haste should definatly affect this. as for the monks speed, it depends. as a dm you can rule that the faster movment is for land movement only in which case you must remember this if he gains wings in anyway or you can apply it to every movment form, there seems to be a concensus that the monk is rather weak and this is one of his best abilities so i'd let him keep it. again this is all off the top o my head.
Z