Creature Catalogue Overhaul Project Revisited

[freyar]

We could just max Concentration and Intimidate, reducing Sense Motive and Tumble to 24 each. If you don't want to bump Climb, that's ok. I personally wouldn't make Swim better than Climb.

 

[Cleon]

We could just max Concentration and Intimidate, reducing Sense Motive and Tumble to 24 each. If you don't want to bump Climb, that's ok. I personally wouldn't make Swim better than Climb.

So you're proposing:

Skills Ranks: Climb 32, Concentration 30, Intimidate 40, Knowledge (nature) 32, Knowledge (the planes) 32, Hide 32, Listen 32, Move Silently 32, Sense Motive 24, Search 32, Spot 32, Swim 32, Survival 32, Tumble 24, Use Magic Device 32

The Hawk Lord, by contrast has:

Skills Ranks: Balance 0, Bluff 40, Concentration 20, Diplomacy 40, Disguise 0, Knowledge (nature) 20, Knowledge (the planes) 20, Hide 40, Intimidate 0, Jump 0, Listen 40, Move Silently 40, Sense Motive 40, Search 40, Spot 40, Survival 20, Tumble 40, Use Magic Device 40

I don't like the idea of giving the Lizard so much higher Concentration, Knowledge and Survival skills than the Hawk Lord.

How about so:

Skills Ranks: Climb 24, Concentration 20, Intimidate 40, Knowledge (nature) 20, Knowledge (the planes) 20, Hide 40, Listen 40, Move Silently 40, Sense Motive 36, Search 40, Spot 40, Swim 24, Survival 24, Tumble 32, Use Magic Device 40

 

[Cleon]

I've spent some time waffling about all those bonus feats and having them change so much from form to form. But I'll go with those for now. The regular feats look fine.

Oh, I'd better update the Lizard Lord Working Draft with the Feats.

 

[freyar]

Hmm, that would work (I was mostly being a bit lazy with skill rank allocation), but the Hawk Lord's ranks are so much more round. Also, I thought we didn't want the Lizard to have quite so much in the way of negotiation skills, like Sense Motive. I'd shift some of those ranks into Climb, Swim, and Survival. Say, reduce Sense Motive to 24 and increase those three to 28 each?

 

[Cleon]

Hmm, that would work (I was mostly being a bit lazy with skill rank allocation), but the Hawk Lord's ranks are so much more round. Also, I thought we didn't want the Lizard to have quite so much in the way of negotiation skills, like Sense Motive. I'd shift some of those ranks into Climb, Swim, and Survival. Say, reduce Sense Motive to 24 and increase those three to 28 each?

Well the original writeup says the Lizard Lord rarely involves itself in nonreptilian affairs, which we interpreted as meaning it doesn't bother with Diplomacy. That doesn't mean it can't have Sense Motive to make sure it isn't tricked (or, rather, Bluffed) on the rare occasions when it does have dealing with warm blooded folk.

 

[freyar]

Surely 24 ranks +7 Cha is enough in most cases. But, as you like. I'm sure there are bigger things to argue about discuss at length.

 

[Cleon]

Surely 24 ranks +7 Cha is enough in most cases. But, as you like. I'm sure there are bigger things to argue about discuss at length.

So are we using?:

Skills Ranks: Climb 24, Concentration 20, Intimidate 40, Knowledge (nature) 20, Knowledge (the planes) 20, Hide 40, Listen 40, Move Silently 40, Sense Motive 36, Search 40, Spot 40, Swim 24, Survival 24, Tumble 32, Use Magic Device 40

 

[freyar]

Sure, that's fine.

 

[Cleon]

Sure, that's fine.

Good. I'll update the working draft in due course. I'm not feeling like figuring out the numbers at the moment.

 

[freyar]

Well, I can do one form before I have to leave work.

Human form: Climb +30, Concentration +23, Intimidate +47, Knowledge (nature) +26, Knowledge (the planes) +24, Hide +53, Listen +47, Move Silently +53, Sense Motive +40, Search +44, Spot +44, Swim +30, Survival +28 (+30 in natural environments and on other planes, +33 following tracks), Tumble +40, Use Magic Device +47

I think .