Creature with bite, improved unarmed strike, BAB>6. What happens?

[brehobit]

OK, so say I have a worg with class levels that get him to a BAB of +7 and has Improved Unarmed Strike. Can he take iterative unarmed strikes and still get his bite? If so, what are the attack penalties on each strike in a full attack?

I'm thinking one of these 4:
1. Unarmed +7/+2, bite +2 (secondary attack)
2. Unarmed +7/+2, bite +7 (no penalty on bite)
3. Can't do both unarmed and bite in the same full-attack
4. A worg can't have IUS.

Help?

Mark

 

[javcs]

I believe that it would be option 1, unarmed strike +7/+2, bite +2.

 

[FEADIN]

4)
The Worg is never "unarmed".
Creature with high BAB don't get more attacks if they don't get a weapon.
A worg has only his bite to deal damage, unless he is a monk.....?!

 

[javcs]

4)
The Worg is never "unarmed".
Creature with high BAB don't get more attacks if they don't get a weapon.
A worg has only his bite to deal damage, unless he is a monk.....?!

Er - why can't a worg take IUS? There are no pre-reqs for it. It simply means that the worg, instead of biting all the time, would be able to smack somebody with a paw or tail.

 

[brehobit]

I believe that it would be option 1, unarmed strike +7/+2, bite +2.

If so, does that mean only 1/2 the STR bonus applies on the bite damage?

Mark

 

[javcs]

If so, does that mean only 1/2 the STR bonus applies on the bite damage?

Mark

I am uncertain.
On the one hand, bites deal full strength damage, but on the other it's being used as a secondary attack, which generally deal 1/2 strength damage.

 

[hong]

Er - why can't a worg take IUS?

Let's not get desperate here.

 

[brehobit]

Let's not get desperate here.

So what would happen with a worg monk? How would his attacks work?

Mark

 

[rowport]

OK, so say I have a worg with class levels that get him to a BAB of +7 and has Improved Unarmed Strike. Can he take iterative unarmed strikes and still get his bite? If so, what are the attack penalties on each strike in a full attack?

I'm thinking one of these 4:
1. Unarmed +7/+2, bite +2 (secondary attack)
2. Unarmed +7/+2, bite +7 (no penalty on bite)
3. Can't do both unarmed and bite in the same full-attack
4. A worg can't have IUS.

brehobit-

It is #1: unarmed strike +7/+2 plus bite +2

The bite is being used as a secondary attack, so it is at -5 Atk, and only 1/2 Strength applies. (A Worg does not have enough natural attacks to qualify for Multiattack, so I believe there is no way for it to avoid or reduce the -5 Atk penalty.)

If the Worg's class levels were Monk, it could choose to Flurry, and the attack would look like this: unarmed strike +5/+5/+0 plus bite +0

The -2 penalty for using Flurry are applied to all attacks, including the secondary attacks. This is called out in more detail in the FAQ.

That said, this issue is hotly debated on ENWorld every few weeks... just search for "flurry natural weapons" and you will find intense arguments.

 

[FEADIN]

I am uncertain.
On the one hand, bites deal full strength damage, but on the other it's being used as a secondary attack, which generally deal 1/2 strength damage.

Wrong, because he gets only one attack the bite does 1.5 strength damage (+4 with his 17 str).