D&D (2024) D&D 2024 PHB errata thread [NO STEALTH DISCUSSIONS PLS]

[pukunui]

I know that, everyone does them, but they did have tools to prevent them or reduce them.

So far there are only 8 things on the list. That's not bad at all really. I've seen worse - and from WotC too. The Eberron book was riddled with typos and things.

 

[Horwath]

So far there are only 8 things on the list. That's not bad at all really. I've seen worse - and from WotC too. The Eberron book was riddled with typos and things.

wait for a month of two when some more broken combos start coming on line...

 

[mellored]

it happens as they are religiously against PDFs, that is the only reason.

PDFs could have been in circulation for months now, together with Beyond access, then when you patch things up, you send it to print.

Then everyone would complain about how they are forcing you to go digital, and how they left FLGS in the dirt.

And for a 400 page book, 8 typos and 1 balance oversight isn't bad.

And Conjure Minor Elemental got voted yes in the playtest as is. I'm sure it got a few comments about being overpowered, but most people missed it first time.

 

[Belen]

Early access, beta, playtest- yeah I guess they're using players to highlight issues... but you still post a changelog; the primary reason not to do so, in my mind, seems to be to avoid embarrassment for having released with mistakes? With most other TTRPGs I'd expect a proper errata document, but since this seems to be handled more like a software release I've gone to using those terms- show a changelog so everyone knows what's been altered since they last looked at the rules!

I mentioned the errata to the FLGS owner when I picked up my alt cover and he just shook his head and hoped that it did not suppress sales.

The real reason they are being quiet is that they do not want people angry and not buying the print book because of the sheer amount of errata already being implemented.

 

[Belen]

it happens as they are religiously against PDFs, that is the only reason.

PDFs could have been in circulation for months now, together with Beyond access, then when you patch things up, you send it to print.

Agreed!

They are selling $50 dollar books with day one changes and it is not minor edits.

 

[Horwath]

Then everyone would complain about how they are forcing you to go digital, and how they left FLGS in the dirt.

And for a 400 page book, 8 typos and 1 balance oversight isn't bad.

And Conjure Minor Elemental got voted yes in the playtest as is. I'm sure it got a few comments about being overpowered, but most people missed it first time.

49€ for PDF or 50€ for PDF+Book.

we wont see any forcing digital comments.

 

[mellored]

49€ for PDF or 50€ for PDF+Book.

we wont see any forcing digital comments.

If it came out months in advance? The only way to play it would be to get the digital copy. Yea, that would cause issues.

They support FLGS by letting them sell it 2 weeks in advance of Amazon. And the FLGS can sell out in that just that time-frame.


Now maybe they sent a pre-print NDA-locked .pdf to Treantmonk and a few others, hire him as a final editor. But even then he may have missed them too.

 

[DEFCON 1]

Yeah, there's a major difference between a department with a half-dozen writers and half-dozen editors and probably several dozen to a hundred or so alpha testers all trying to cross every T and dot every I, versus thousands upon thousands of people all reading simultaneously and finding edits and broken combos. Especially when the internal people have been seeing the same documents for months on end with constant changes happening to wording and sizing (especially when these pages have to be edited to fit inside pagination and around art correctly). A couple words removed by a layout editor so it can fit on a single page all of a sudden unknowingly takes out a key component or restriction of an ability-- and other editors don't catch it and it's the morass of the player base that says "Hey wait!"

And the thing is... more often than not all this "errata" only occurs and is known by players because they are all online and can see it gathered all together in one singular place... making it seem like it's a big deal. But I guarantee you... if this all occurred prior to the internet and each of us was at home flipping through this book ourselves, we might notice like maybe one or two things that were technically wrong if that, and most of all the other stuff would just go flying right on by us. And we'd never even realize just how many things might technically be mistakes.

Easiest way for a person to not get upset about the amount of errata? Just don't read threads that other people put together that bring them all together. Because you can't get mad at things you yourself don't ever notice.

 

[UngainlyTitan]

Yeah, there's a major difference between a department with a half-dozen writers and half-dozen editors and probably several dozen to a hundred or so alpha testers all trying to cross every T and dot every I, versus thousands upon thousands of people all reading simultaneously and finding edits and broken combos. Especially when the internal people have been seeing the same documents for months on end with constant changes happening to wording and sizing (especially when these pages have to be edited to fit inside pagination and around art correctly). A couple words removed by a layout editor so it can fit on a single page all of a sudden unknowingly takes out a key component or restriction of an ability-- and other editors don't catch it and it's the morass of the player base that says "Hey wait!"

And the thing is... more often than not all this "errata" only occurs and is known by players because they are all online and can see it gathered all together in one singular place... making it seem like it's a big deal. But I guarantee you... if this all occurred prior to the internet and each of us was at home flipping through this book ourselves, we might notice like maybe one or two things that were technically wrong if that, and most of all the other stuff would just go flying right on by us. And we'd never even realize just how many things might technically be mistakes.

Easiest way for a person to not get upset about the amount of errata? Just don't read threads that other people put together that bring them all together. Because you can't get mad at things you yourself don't ever notice.

Yup, copy editing is one of the most painful jobs ever.

 

[CellarHeroes]

What's the big deal?

I've been able to successfully run and play games for decades without ever looking at a single piece of errata. From 3rd to the present I've only had 1st printing books.