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NotAYakk

Legend
So, to be extremely clear, the protests have generated results already.


LA has cut 100+ million dollars from their police budget and redirected it to community support.

Not calling that a direct result of these protests would be stretching it.

Is that direct result worth the people who will die from Covid-19 spread? Well, suppose LA's attempt is successful. And US homicide by cop rates falls to UK per-capita rates times the relative murder rates of the two countries.

That would be almost 1000 people per year saved from death by police officer per year. So that wouldn't be nothing.
 



More loyalty to their uniform than to the people they ‘swore’ to protect.
This is why there are protesters. This is why I went protesting. Most cops are good. It's a hard, risky job, but they get power, and they can abuse it. When we try to make it so they can't abuse their power anymore, they complain and turn peaceful protests into riots.
 

ad_hoc

Hero
This is why there are protesters. This is why I went protesting. Most cops are good. It's a hard, risky job, but they get power, and they can abuse it. When we try to make it so they can't abuse their power anymore, they complain and turn peaceful protests into riots.
First, we shouldn't talk about politics because it is against the board rules.

but since you are making statements like that - no, actually, all cops are bad.

Here are just some of the atrocities they've been committing in the last week. And these are the ones caught on film. They do much worse when they know there are no cameras.

Mod Edit: I'm sorry, but that video isn't appropriate, and I had to remove it. ~Umbran
 
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Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
This is a problem. 57 people resign because 2 people got in trouble for assaulting an elderly man.
So, this isn't about the pandemic.

But, there's an element I recently learned about that may be important enough to some to matter.

57 people resigned from their roles on the Emergency Response Team (ERT_, but NOT from the Buffalo Police Department. Every one of them are still employed by the BPD, as far as I am aware.

As for them resigning "in solidarity"... that may be a bit of a spin. Because, it seems that just before they resigned, the Buffalo Police Benevolent Society announced that it would NOT be covering fees for legal defense of anyone on the Buffalo ERT or SWAT teams for actions during the protests.


So, this may be less about principled "solidarity" than it is about covering themselves from legal repercussions of their actions.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Now, recognizing that I myself was part of the tangent.- we really don't want this turning into a thread about the protests, or cops. We should probably focus back on the original topic, please and thank you for your patience on the matter.
 

Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
So, to be extremely clear, the protests have generated results already.
Yep.

In other parts of the USA, codes of conduct/engagement/use of force are being revised for the first time in decades. Some are adding civilian review boards to those investigations of incidents involving police use of force. Some are considering requiring professional licensing for law enforcement officers, expanded basic training (beyond the typical 19 weeks*), and meaningful psych evaluation screening.

Hell, more places are contemplating expanding the kinds of criminal backgrounds that would render one ineligible to become a LEO.

All since the killing-inspired protests began.

That, some would argue, is not just results, but worth the shared risk of an extension of the pandemic crisis.




* among the shortest in 1st world nations
 


Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
Now, recognizing that I myself was part of the tangent.- we really don't want this turning into a thread about the protests, or cops. We should probably focus back on the original topic, please and thank you for your patience on the matter.
Posted while I was typing.

Agreed- back to our regularly scheduled hand-washing and social distancing!
 



First, we shouldn't talk about politics because it is against the board rules.

but since you are making statements like that - no, actually, all cops are bad.

Here are just some of the atrocities they've been committing in the last week. And these are the ones caught on film. They do much worse when they know there are no cameras.
It's not politics, but isn't on topic. We really should get back to the topic of the thread. (It is very clearly not true to say that all cops are bad)

Well, anyway, there are now nearly 2 million cases in the USA. Deaths now are around 111,000.
 




Hussar

Legend
We also wiped out Covid by not doing large scale crowd gatherings using emergency powers.

May as well protest though because containment was a failure anyway.

Not sure how much leeway but there's a lot of systematic failures dating back 40 odd years.

Numbers weren't made up, I can dig up the relevant things if I have to. Failure rates are really high though, espicially for violence.

Also crossed over into revolutions. The links are buried in a locked 1000 response thread on another forum.

We predicted riots back in March. We were two weeks off in the timeline thinking they would start mid June.

Lockdown talks started in January and we had similar conversions in March.
But, again, and I HAVE to keep pointing this out to you @Zardnaar, I live in a country with nearly 8 times your population, with a population density probably 100 times greater, an easy 40 minute flight from Shanghai and a bit over 2 hours to Beijing, with millions of Chinese tourists arriving on a daily basis before the travel restrictions which weren't implemented until mid-April, where there is NO LOCKDOWN at all. Legally, the Japanese government cannot lock down the country. They do not have that power. The Japanese Constitution does not include a war measures act because Japan's not allowed to go to war with anyone. There is no Riot Act in Japan. At best, the government could request that people stay home.

Yet, we've had few deaths and the lowest rates of the G7. If you remove that cruise ship from the equation, Japan has had about 300 deaths, TOTAL.

So, you can keep talking about how the New Zealand solution is the best way all you like, but, it's simply not true and it's ignoring facts.

Or, to put it another way, we've largely wiped out Covid without any emergency powers and a barely noticeable lockdown.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
But, again, and I HAVE to keep pointing this out to you @Zardnaar, I live in a country with nearly 8 times your population, with a population density probably 100 times greater, an easy 40 minute flight from Shanghai and a bit over 2 hours to Beijing, with millions of Chinese tourists arriving on a daily basis before the travel restrictions which weren't implemented until mid-April, where there is NO LOCKDOWN at all. Legally, the Japanese government cannot lock down the country. They do not have that power. The Japanese Constitution does not include a war measures act because Japan's not allowed to go to war with anyone. There is no Riot Act in Japan. At best, the government could request that people stay home.

Yet, we've had few deaths and the lowest rates of the G7. If you remove that cruise ship from the equation, Japan has had about 300 deaths, TOTAL.

So, you can keep talking about how the New Zealand solution is the best way all you like, but, it's simply not true and it's ignoring facts.

Or, to put it another way, we've largely wiped out Covid without any emergency powers and a barely noticeable lockdown.
I don't think there's a one size fits all solution.

Japan's also done very very little testing.

If they randomly tested say 100000 people and see if there's any evidence of community spread. The government was hell-bent on the Olympics going ahead until well into April.

Our early curve was also the same as most nation's. Size doesn't seem to be a major factor other larger nation's have successfully done better.

How much early transmission and response to it seems key.

There's also dumb luck factor and some nation's have very low numbers due to lack of testing.
 

Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
I really think long-internalized Japanese customs involving mask wearing for health reasons- and other cultural factors- are major reasons why Japan avoided an Italian-style covidpocalypse.
 

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