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D&D and the rising pandemic

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Mind me asking what you do for a living and what your social circle of friends are?

I haven't been part of any extended bubbles. I have had very little in-person social interaction in the past seven months.

They're not crazies just human.

I didn't say they were crazies. I said that that seemed to have willfully chosen to take the risk - in a place where, by yoru description, they shoudl know the covid-rates were not good, and knew full well others present weren't and hadn't been following guidelines, and so I am not terribly sympathetic. If you choose to jump in a pool that you can see is full of alligators, I am not going to extend much sympathy if you get bit.

If your job requires you to have contact, I have tons of sympathy.
 

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Zardnaar

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I haven't been part of any extended bubbles. I have had very little in-person social interaction in the past seven months.



I didn't say they were crazies. I said that that seemed to have willfully chosen to take the risk - in a place where, by yoru description, they shoudl know the covid-rates were not good, and knew full well others present weren't and hadn't been following guidelines, and so I am not terribly sympathetic. If you choose to jump in a pool that you can see is full of alligators, I am not going to extend much sympathy if you get bit.

If your job requires you to have contact, I have tons of sympathy.

It's easy to claim if you're privledge enough to live in a nice area or are in certain cultures.

Family is a big thing in some cultures and if you live in an area were lootings and shootings are a thing I imagine it's harder to be perfect.

I assume you're aware the virus had impacted non whites and low income suburbs harder?

They're not poor as such but can't isolate in a nice house with all the amenities with similar neighbours.

Gangs are a thing there so after 6 months you take a break and that's when things can go wrong.

I'm guessing you haven't experienced looting and live in an area where you have a 2 metre fence and have dogs and guns for security because Murica?
 
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I didn't say they were crazies. I said that that seemed to have willfully chosen to take the risk - in a place where, by yoru description, they shoudl know the covid-rates were not good, and knew full well others present weren't and hadn't been following guidelines, and so I am not terribly sympathetic. If you choose to jump in a pool that you can see is full of alligators, I am not going to extend much sympathy if you get bit.

If your job requires you to have contact, I have tons of sympathy.

I know numerous people who have sent their kids back to school. Some live in areas that don't support great remote options. Some can't stay home with the kids full time. Some have kids that are at a critical age for socialization and hands on learning, and they decided the risk of long term isolation during the formative years was a greater long term risk than COVID. Some feel that sports are their kid's best chance at getting into a good college.

I don't agree with the choices of any of these parents. I am upset that the world isn't taking the proper steps to end the pandemic, and these parents are part of the problem. But I still have the capacity to feel for them if they get sick (or, god forbid, die). Perhaps a bit of empathy on your part, rather than sympathy, would go a long way.
 

Cadence

Legend
Supporter
It feels like its all degrees.

Do you decontaminate all of your packages you get and not get any carry out food? If not, you could be safer, right? (I mean, the risks are small, but not zero).

My son is going back to scouts - its outside or in a garage with a garage door and side door open and everyone masked, with 10 or fewer people. That more virus dangerous than keeping him home non-stop and less dangerous than having him go play unmasked at a bunch of friends houses (this is his first time with any friends here since March except for RC boating from opposite sides of a 30' pool, and one spaced out hike by the river in the summer).

With all three groups having isolated pretty well for months, this summer nine of us met on an annual family trip to a cabin. Our trio didn't go in any restaurants driving the 20 hours and slept in the car instead of a hotel. Thats more virus dangerous than seeing no one for nine months but less bad than having stopped along the way, or staying with anyone who hadn't been being cautious, or staying with a big group.

Assuming the party wasn't 25 people (or whatnot) crammed in a house all unmasked, I definitely feel bad for them after they'd been locked down for so long :-( And even if it was a stupidly big group being incautious, I assume we've all done something inane at some point in our lives, and most of us have been lucky enough not to die or be disabled from it. On the other hand, the folks who regularly do it... at some point it is all on them (and the easier life is for them otherwise, the sooner and more blame I give them).
 
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Zardnaar

Legend
It feels like its all degrees.

Do you decontaminate all of your packages you get and not get any carry out food? If not, you could be safer, right? (I mean, the risks are small, but not zero).

My son is going back to scouts - its outside or in a garage with a garage door and side door open and everyone masked, with 10 or fewer people. That more virus dangerous than keeping him home non-stop and less dangerous than having him go play unmasked at a bunch of friends houses (this is his first time with any friends here since March except for RC boating from opposite sides of a 30' pool, and one spaced out hike by the river in the summer).

With all three groups having isolated pretty well for months, this summer nine of us met on an annual family trip to a cabin. Our trio didn't go in any restaurants driving the 20 hours and slept in the car instead of a hotel. Thats more virus dangerous than seeing no one for nine months but less bad than having stopped along the way, or staying with anyone who hadn't been being cautious, or staying with a big group.

Assuming the party wasn't 25 people (or whatnot) crammed in a house all unmasked, I definitely feel bad for them after they'd been locked down for so long :-( And even if it was a stupidly big group being incautious, I assume we've all done something inane at some point in our lives, and most of us have been lucky enough not to die or be disabled from it. On the other hand, the folks who regularly do it... at some point it is all on them (and the easier life is for them otherwise, the sooner and more blame I give them).

I've got another mate in California and he's running scouts doing something similar there out in the Sierra Nevadas.

He loves the outdoors, has been to NZ loves hiking etc.

Is it ideal probably not. He's taking precautions is it 100% safe? Probably not.

Even with the best intentions though eventually you gotta do something.
 

CleverNickName

Limit Break Dancing
I know right?
Honestly at this point I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

sad kristen bell GIF
 

Cadence

Legend
Supporter
On the other hand, some people just aren't even trying at all...


I was hoping that the positivity rate on campus would stay vaguely low through Thanksgiving. (Granted a lot of these folks have probably already been skipping testing if they have mild symptoms).
 

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Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
OMG.

At times, I swear she was measuring him up to see if she could make a coat out of him as she lined up another swing with her rhetorical club.

Probably won’t change any minds, but that was a thing of beauty.

And I don’t think that style would work well in current day USA. We’ve already got people wearing shirts suggesting the lynching of journalists. A young, female journalist getting confrontational with an American analog of that fellow would just play into their narrative.
She did tear into his actions, better than political adversaries do in the US.
 


Zardnaar

Legend
Well the news here in my own country might be silent about the surge in Covid-19 cases, but at least the BBC is paying attention.
(TW: US Politics)

Back in March I gave links to the BBC, Reuter, RNZ and the health department advice to some American friends.

One didn't know about Italy and then France.

She was a manager in USA aged care company.

BBC is usually reasonably good for free source.
 


Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
To be fair, in general we are doing such a craptastic job of it that the claim that we are vigilant at all, much less constantly, is verging on laughable.
Oh, abso-freakin-lutely!

Another data point to consider for those dealing with C19 deniers: our oven died after 22 years this weekend. So we’ve been shopping for a new one the last few days, and we have found there is a shortage. Of ALL brands, foreign and domestic. C19-related manufacturing slowdowns are causing parts shortages and assembly line slowdowns.

The odds that every appliance retailer, manufacturer, and/or their parts maker in the US market is conspiring to affect the election are so improbable that it isn’t even worth considering,
 

Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
On the other hand, some people just aren't even trying at all...


I was hoping that the positivity rate on campus would stay vaguely low through Thanksgiving. (Granted a lot of these folks have probably already been skipping testing if they have mild symptoms).
I’ve been watching- and occasionally sharing- articles about campus life & C19. I didn’t have high hopes...and I did’t go to a “party school”.

Then I saw the bodycam footage of the student who was “quarantining “ after a positive test getting busted by the cops for hosting a house party in excess of the state’s group gathering size cap.

 
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Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
I live near a university and nope they might as well be labeled COVID19 hot spot they pull these young people in from all over and pack them in buildings together then they wander down town in clusters without masks.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Oh, abso-freakin-lutely!

Another data point to consider for those dealing with C19 deniers: our oven died after 22 years this weekend. So we’ve been shopping for a new one the last few days, and we have found there is a shortage. Of ALL brands, foreign and domestic. C19-related manufacturing slowdowns are causing parts shortages and assembly line slowdowns.

The odds that every appliance retailer, manufacturer, and/or their parts maker in the US market is conspiring to affect the election are so improbable that it isn’t even worth considering,

Fake news and/or your oven is a deep fake.

To prove otherwise send a sample of your delicious.........

This stuff predates the internet, as a kid there was a book named Chariot of the Gods. Basically Aliens built everything.

It's people who are smart enough to think but not smart enough to say I don't know or academics who don't know either and don't want to admit it so they make something up and later on they get challenged and it's a conspiracy about aliens/who built what etc.

Kinda the origins of this kinda stuff fueled by social media these days.
 
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Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
This stuff predates the internet, as a kid there was a book named Chariot of the Gods. Basically Aliens built everything.

It's people who are smart enough to think but not smart enough to say I don't know or academics who don't know either and don't want to admit it so they make something up and later on they get challenged and it's a conspiracy about aliens/who built what etc.

There is an racist element to it as well. Because... note that all the structures claimed to be made by aliens... are not European*. If you aren't white, you obviously couldn't have built it yourself. You needed alien help.


*Stonehenge being the one exception - folks still say aliens built that.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
There is an racist element to it as well. Because... note that all the structures claimed to be made by aliens... are not European*. If you aren't white, you obviously couldn't have built it yourself. You needed alien help.


*Stonehenge being the one exception - folks still say aliens built that.

That as well, Amazon has a show called Archeo. They had Great Zimbabwe featured.

Turns out it was plugged into trading networks and they've found Chinese/Indian/Egyptian goods there so they were likely trading gold for luxuries via Kilwa and Zanzibar.

Lake Titicaca, Teotihuacan, Nazca lines and a few other places as well.

Also all on Archeo. Good show.

Gotta be aliens!!
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
We even have instructions on pyramids and adjacent buildings describing how they made pyramids including wetting of the sand the blocks were slid on, sorry no aliens required just smart ancestors being given the credit they are due.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
We even have instructions on pyramids and adjacent buildings describing how they made pyramids including wetting of the sand the blocks were slid on, sorry no aliens required just smart ancestors being given the credit they are due.

A lot if early archeologists were more plunderers.
. And they usually zeroed in on what would have been the CBD in ancient times. It's where all the monuments are I suppose and big civic buildings.

They're also not engineers and have no idea what stone weighs.

Some of those "200 ton" blocks are a lot lighter and could be moved with ancient cranes or muscle power.

Great grandad's book on Spanish Flu useful today;). People just stop using skills due to invention.
 

cbwjm

Hero
We even have instructions on pyramids and adjacent buildings describing how they made pyramids including wetting of the sand the blocks were slid on, sorry no aliens required just smart ancestors being given the credit they are due.
Not only that, but if aliens came and gave us instructions on how to build pyramids, why did they give us the wrong information which led to the bent pyramid. Seems like a space faring civilisation wouldn't make such a basic mistake.
 

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