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FrogReaver
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FrogReaver
The most respectful and polite poster ever
No. I’m not that mindless.
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You've made your lack of respect for a great many people abundantly clear. It is time for you to find a thread in which you can talk to and about folks who you do, in fact, respect.
Theo R Cwithin
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Re: Sweden-- Here's an article from today on the same topic that goes into a bit more depth, including a few local experts' differing views:
www.newsweek.com
Also this one (a few days old) comparing and contrasting responses by Sweden and other Scandinavian coutries:
www.businessinsider.com
Sweden Claims It's Prepared For Second Wave Despite Having No Lockdown
The country's public health agency claims its capital Stockholm, where the majority of the cases have been reported, may have already passed the peak of the outbreak.
www.newsweek.com
Also this one (a few days old) comparing and contrasting responses by Sweden and other Scandinavian coutries:
Sweden has nearly 10 times the number of COVID-19-related deaths than its Nordic neighbors. Here's where it went wrong.
Sweden, which has yet to order any lockdown amid the novel coronavirus pandemic, has seen 14,777 COVID-19 cases and 1,580 deaths from the virus.
www.businessinsider.com
Zardnaar
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Re: Sweden-- Here's an article from today on the same topic that goes into a bit more depth, including a few local experts' differing views:
Sweden Claims It's Prepared For Second Wave Despite Having No Lockdown
The country's public health agency claims its capital Stockholm, where the majority of the cases have been reported, may have already passed the peak of the outbreak.
Also this one (a few days old) comparing and contrasting responses by Sweden and other Scandinavian coutries:
Sweden has nearly 10 times the number of COVID-19-related deaths than its Nordic neighbors. Here's where it went wrong.
Sweden, which has yet to order any lockdown amid the novel coronavirus pandemic, has seen 14,777 COVID-19 cases and 1,580 deaths from the virus.
Sweden's population is a lot smaller than USA.
Australia double Sweden's population. Total deaths 79.
NZ half Sweden's population. Deaths 17.
Sweden 2152.
Coronavirus Update (Live): 122,898,689 Cases and 2,713,580 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
www.worldometers.info
For a few days our cases were doubling every two days then it flattened for a week then declined.
Virus doesn't scare me on a personal level. It does for others though.
The but but look at Sweden crowd has shut up though.
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Theo R Cwithin
I cast "Baconstorm!"
Yeah. That second article I posted notes that Sweden's per capita fatalities are a few times higher than Norway's or Finland's; and even a bit higher that US's. The main positive mentioned was that their economy should be easier to spin back up when they ease their more limited restrictions.Sweden's population is a lot smaller than USA.
Australia double Sweden's population. Total deaths 79.
NZ half Sweden's population. Deaths 17.
Sweden 2152.
Coronavirus Update (Live): 122,898,689 Cases and 2,713,580 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
For a few days our cases were doubling every two days then it flattened for a week then declined.
Whether that makes it "worth it" is a different question that I doubt anyone will honestly be able to answer for quite a while.
Zardnaar
Legend
Sweden's on the short list of countries that will bounce back the best.
We're number 12.
My money would be on Norway though.
If you're Norwegian you've won the genetic lottery. I think they could buy Sweden and they've enough money to make a US president pay attention.
Re: problems with Sweden’s reaching herd immunity in weeks:
1) if Covid-19’s R0 value is as high as they think it is, they need to reach an exposure rate of @60-70% of their population.
2) between the number of asymptomatic carriers and recent revelations as to how long Covid-19 has actually been circulating, there are definitely unknowable variables in determining the actual level of exposure.
3) since we don’t even know the strength or duration of post-exposure immunity to Covid-19, “herd immunity” might be essentially worthless, especially considering the number of deaths that would entail.
4) with new short-term effects of infection being unveiled almost weekly and (obviously) no data on long-term effects, aiming for herd immunity via exposure versus inoculation may be unnecessarily risky.
That said, it‘s true that Sweden may ultimately be mostly right. If we don‘t develop any treatments or vaccines for Covid-19 in the near future- or ever (coronaviruses are formidable foes for researchers)- humanity won’t have many options beyond accepting occasional disruptions from Covid-19 outbreaks. But I qualify that with “mostly” because if that is the reality we have to deal with, Sweden’s approach is still probably too laissez faire to be sustainable in the long run. Adapting to a world where we coexist with Covid-19 will require serious thought about altering the way we all do things.
1) if Covid-19’s R0 value is as high as they think it is, they need to reach an exposure rate of @60-70% of their population.
2) between the number of asymptomatic carriers and recent revelations as to how long Covid-19 has actually been circulating, there are definitely unknowable variables in determining the actual level of exposure.
3) since we don’t even know the strength or duration of post-exposure immunity to Covid-19, “herd immunity” might be essentially worthless, especially considering the number of deaths that would entail.
4) with new short-term effects of infection being unveiled almost weekly and (obviously) no data on long-term effects, aiming for herd immunity via exposure versus inoculation may be unnecessarily risky.
That said, it‘s true that Sweden may ultimately be mostly right. If we don‘t develop any treatments or vaccines for Covid-19 in the near future- or ever (coronaviruses are formidable foes for researchers)- humanity won’t have many options beyond accepting occasional disruptions from Covid-19 outbreaks. But I qualify that with “mostly” because if that is the reality we have to deal with, Sweden’s approach is still probably too laissez faire to be sustainable in the long run. Adapting to a world where we coexist with Covid-19 will require serious thought about altering the way we all do things.
abirdcall
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Imagine if New York State didn't put lockdown measures into place and just went with the 'everyone gets it right away' option.
Even if Sweden comes out of this without their entire healthcare system collapsing (which its starting strength helps a lot here) they've still made the wrong decision.
If I bet straight up that I will roll a 20 on a d20 I have made a bad bet, whether the outcome is I roll a 20 or not.
Right now what is up in the air is whether Sweden will be worse off for not having lockdown procedures or whether it will be catastrophic.
They're fortunate enough that it is looking to be the former, but that doesn't mean theirs is a good model.
Saskatchewan is the first Province to create plans for gradual reopening in Canada. They have less than 10 new confirmed cases each day for the past 2 weeks so I think that is reasonable. Even then, they are still not going back to 'business as usual' straight away.
Even if Sweden comes out of this without their entire healthcare system collapsing (which its starting strength helps a lot here) they've still made the wrong decision.
If I bet straight up that I will roll a 20 on a d20 I have made a bad bet, whether the outcome is I roll a 20 or not.
Right now what is up in the air is whether Sweden will be worse off for not having lockdown procedures or whether it will be catastrophic.
They're fortunate enough that it is looking to be the former, but that doesn't mean theirs is a good model.
Saskatchewan is the first Province to create plans for gradual reopening in Canada. They have less than 10 new confirmed cases each day for the past 2 weeks so I think that is reasonable. Even then, they are still not going back to 'business as usual' straight away.
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