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I’m sure the gesture will be appreciated.
Yeah what do you do? US isn't the worst in the world.
I’m sure the gesture will be appreciated.
No kidding, At the rate we're going in the Netherlands, I'll get mine somewhere between 3 and 6 years from now.I've been reading a bit, watching vaccine rollout, and it seems that some reasons for it beign slow (and, by the way, by no means is it only slow in the US - other "First world" countries are also botching it) is coming into focus.
Canada is definitely one of those countries. We got the initial response to the virus essentially right, if somewhat delayed, in most of the country. (Quebec is always its own thing.) The vaccine rollout, however, has been completely botched. it's just plain not being acquired, let alone disseminated, despite several early standing agreements.I've been reading a bit, watching vaccine rollout, and it seems that some reasons for it beign slow (and, by the way, by no means is it only slow in the US - other "First world" countries are also botching it) is coming into focus.
Steady work for carnival barkers!I've been reading a bit, watching vaccine rollout, and it seems that some reasons for it beign slow (and, by the way, by no means is it only slow in the US - other "First world" countries are also botching it) is coming into focus.
You can focus on getting needles into arms, and be efficient, or you can focus on only putting needles in the correct arms, and slow yourself down. We have this phase structure, and the hoops you have to go through to make really sure that only those who are supposed to get the shot in the current phase is slowing us down tremendously, and causing significant waste of time and vaccine.
I understand that there's a great desire for equity and propriety in distribution. And maybe if smart people had been able to work real planning for, say, the six months leading up to the vaccines being ready, we might have that. But the infrastructure to quickly and smoothly enforce equity and propriety were not put in place, so now we stumble. We might get better outcomes by rolling up vaccine clinics and having people stroll thorugh neighborhoods with bullhorns telling folks, "Okay, come over to the parking lot with your ID and your sleeves rolled up, people, and let's get it done!!"
I think the issue is that health organizations are treating this vaccine like the influenza vaccine -or a typical vaccine- when they should be treating it like the smallpox vaccine in the 70's. Everybody getting one, with brigades going door to door and stations being set in plazas and public transport. Since there aren't enough doses yet, they are following a typical triage pattern, but this virus doesn't follow typical patterns. It is like with temperature checks. These are very good at controlling influenza, but very bad at controlling this one.I've been reading a bit, watching vaccine rollout, and it seems that some reasons for it beign slow (and, by the way, by no means is it only slow in the US - other "First world" countries are also botching it) is coming into focus.
You can focus on getting needles into arms, and be efficient, or you can focus on only putting needles in the correct arms, and slow yourself down. We have this phase structure, and the hoops you have to go through to make really sure that only those who are supposed to get the shot in the current phase is slowing us down tremendously, and causing significant waste of time and vaccine.
I understand that there's a great desire for equity and propriety in distribution. And maybe if smart people had been able to work real planning for, say, the six months leading up to the vaccines being ready, we might have that. But the infrastructure to quickly and smoothly enforce equity and propriety were not put in place, so now we stumble. We might get better outcomes by rolling up vaccine clinics and having people stroll thorugh neighborhoods with bullhorns telling folks, "Okay, come over to the parking lot with your ID and your sleeves rolled up, people, and let's get it done!!"
I think the issue is that health organizations are treating this vaccine like the influenza vaccine -or a typical vaccine- when they should be treating it like the smallpox vaccine in the 70's. Everybody getting one, with brigades going door to door and stations being set in plazas and public transport. Since there aren't enough doses yet, they are following a typical triage pattern, but this virus doesn't follow typical patterns. It is like with temperature checks. These are very good at controlling influenza, but very bad at controlling this one.
Edit: I know it from experience. Temperature controls did wonders with H1N1 -I live in the epicenter of that epidemic, we were quarantined for two months, but things got better quickly-. But they did diddly squat to control the international spread of this thing.
Since there aren't enough doses yet, they are following a typical triage pattern, but this virus doesn't follow typical patterns.
It is like with temperature checks. These are very good at controlling influenza, but very bad at controlling this one.
Yes, of course. What I mean is that the deceases caused by this virus skirt a bit younger than with influenza. With influenza the curve is basically exponential, with this thing the curve is normal, getting as much people in their fifties and forties as people in their seventies and sixties. Yet -at least in my country- they are distributing the vaccine as if it was the influenza, disproportionally targeting people over 65. They aren't even accounting for people with other diseases that have proven to be very lethal when catching Covid -like diabetes-. Like I said they are still stuck in the influenza mindset, treating this as if it was influenza, it is not, and that is why this triage isn't working.The triage model is to protect those most likely to die if they get sick, then those whose labor is most necessary for communities to continue functioning. Those of us who are more likely to survive a bout of the thing, and who won't stop basic infrastructure if we get sick, can wait.
Anyone know if The Guardian is a good source. Not to familiar with them relative to BBC/NBC/CNN/Reuters.
Bwahahahah then usans such as myself are doomed. We have people in congress who think jewish space lasers are starting fires in california.One would think common sense would apply.
Bwahahahah then usans such as myself are doomed. We have people in congress who think jewish space lasers are starting fires in california.
Ah but you know its not the congress woman's fault because "they" let her believe this nonsense. Our country is truly doomed.Personally I was hoping for one if the microchip vaccines. 5G mind control one would be great.
Preferably purple or blue.
Hell they can inject me with the whole damn iPhone.
Local response: "They gave water to kids with cancer instead of chemo to save a buck. Do you think this miser penny pinching Government is going to spend billions of dollars on mind control chips?"Personally I was hoping for one if the microchip vaccines. 5G mind control one would be great.
Preferably purple or blue.
Hell they can inject me with the whole damn iPhone.
Ah but you know its not the congress woman's fault because "they" let her believe this nonsense. Our country is truly doomed.