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Of course that story is missing some important elements like the fact "symptoms" is doing some heavy lifting (after all, fatigue and a cough are symptoms). It'd also be helpful to know if the people hospitalized had any co-morbidities; 4 out of five being vaccinated seems unusually high for that level of breakthrough (though, of course, the sample size isn't so big it can't just be a luck of the draw thing).
 

Dannyalcatraz

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Yesterday, it was reported that Dee Snyder (Twisted Sister frontman) and several of his family members contracted Covid despite being fully vaccinated.* They suspect their exposure probably occurred at a trip to one of the Disney parks, where they allege- despite posted signs indicating the park was operating within CDC & local protocols- no protocol enforcement actually occurred.

They didn’t have any glaring signs of exposure, just a long-lasting “crud” that led Dee to get tested, just in case.

So I suspect that most of the people in the MA case had similarly mild symptoms, and the ones who got hospitalized DID have comorbidities, or at least, other risk factors not mentioned.

Which goes with other reports ive seen saying, essentially, Delta is more contagious (more likely to infect someone), but apparently not more dangerous (to the individuals infected).




* I’d link a story, but Dee does like to drop his F-bombs…
 

Yeah, that'd make more sense, given everything else I've seen on the subject. I don't think that article was exactly the best piece of medical reporting I've ever seen (not that science and medical reporting aren't, to be charitable, pretty hit or miss at the best of times), and I think it may give an impression that probably we don't need to be giving people.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Yesterday, it was reported that Dee Snyder (Twisted Sister frontman) and several of his family members contracted Covid despite being fully vaccinated.* They suspect their exposure probably occurred at a trip to one of the Disney parks, where they allege- despite posted signs indicating the park was operating within CDC & local protocols- no protocol enforcement actually occurred.

They didn’t have any glaring signs of exposure, just a long-lasting “crud” that led Dee to get tested, just in case.

So I suspect that most of the people in the MA case had similarly mild symptoms, and the ones who got hospitalized DID have comorbidities, or at least, other risk factors not mentioned.

Which goes with other reports ive seen saying, essentially, Delta is more contagious (more likely to infect someone), but apparently not more dangerous (to the individuals infected).




* I’d link a story, but Dee does like to drop his F-bombs…

Best case I suppose is a more contagious Covid varient that's not that lethal.

We're still going to be dealing with Covid come 2023.
 

Dannyalcatraz

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Some virologists and epidemiologists believe I t’s highly possible Covid will become endemic- as in, something we’ll have to deal with every year from now on, like colds and influenza.

The real question is HOW we will deal with it. By that, I mean what measures will be required and how seriously the population takes Covid itself. Too many years like 2020 & 21, and…well…it could get ugly.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Some virologists and epidemiologists believe I t’s highly possible Covid will become endemic- as in, something we’ll have to deal with every year from now on, like colds and influenza.

The real question is HOW we will deal with it. By that, I mean what measures will be required and how seriously the population takes Covid itself. Too many years like 2020 & 21, and…well…it could get ugly.

Well that's what's gonna happen. Beats me why people ever thought it would be done in a year or so once vaccines rolled out.
 

Eltab

Lord of the Hidden Layer
Corona-19 is now subject to natural selection. It will become more like the other coronaviruses found in nature. Eventually it will affect large groups of people about the same as cold / flu viruses do: most get sniffles or aches, some need a few days' bed rest, a few develop on to bronchitis or pneumonia, a handful die.

What I do expect to change dramatically (but for the better) is medicine to kill the virus and fortify natural immune system function. Cough drops and sneeze suppressants (so you don't blow germs all over the room) with active antiviral agents would address the greatest problem with COVID.
 

Dannyalcatraz

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It never stopped being subject to natural selection.

As for the rest…people forget that influenza is a killer. Most versions of it are not as deadly as the 1918 strain, but one of the main reasons for that is modern medicine. Seasonal influenza kills 10-30k people a year in the USA...with most people getting vaccinations. (Some of which are less effective than the ones we have for C19.)
 
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Zardnaar

Legend
Not many get flu shots here as part of their day to day life. Maybe if your job pays for it or if you're older.

Got a free one last year and had them in previous years.

What me worry?


More cops plus incoming military no one turned up for more anti lockdown protests.


Mass vaccinations just starting now.

Assuming no balls up Thursday for me.
 
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Dannyalcatraz

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The COVID virus came from a lab, where it was subject to artificial selection.
Do not spread pandemic misinformation in this thread or anywhere on this site.

1) There is NO evidence that any gain-of-function research was done on C19. This has been debunked more than once by scientists from various countries

2) Whether C19’s jump into humans came from an environmental exposure or an accidental exposure due to a lab accident at Wuhan is unknown at this time,

3) C19 has been subject to natural selection since it first arose in nature like every other coronavirus, and has continued so to be since it’s jump into humans.
 



Umbran

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Corona-19 is now subject to natural selection.

It never stopped being subject to natural selection.

Note that as long as we are significantly mucking about in the spread of the virus, either with vaccines or our own behaviors, that selection isn't entirely "natural".

And, even with the short generations times of the virus, evolution isn't a matter of years - it is decades to centuries. Evolution is something you see and recognize only in retrospective.
 

Note that as long as we are significantly mucking about in the spread of the virus, either with vaccines or our own behaviors, that selection isn't entirely "natural".

And, even with the short generations times of the virus, evolution isn't a matter of years - it is decades to centuries. Evolution is something you see and recognize only in retrospective.

I gather you're distinguishing evolution from selection? Because you absolutely selection in microorganisms faster than that. The history of syphilis is pretty instructive in that regard.
 

Mirtek

Hero
In 2018-2019, @63% of kids and 45% of adults got their flu vaccines in the USA.
That's impressive. People in Germany just seem to not care. Admittely I never got mine until it was offered at work. Just once a year knock on a door I pass by daily anyway. If I had to make an extra appointment at my doctor and go there in my free time, I wouldn't bother to get it too
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Might be a balls up in my vaccine appointment. Found out today you're supposed to get a confirmation message which I didn't get. Did get a message saying your XYZ has expired but ignore this message if you have already made an appointment.

Have to ring the phone number and check if I actually have said appointment I thought I did.
 

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