D&D and the rising pandemic

[CleverNickName]

 

[Zardnaar]

I don't think there's evidence of genetic tampering last I heard and the only westerner there an Australian said it was reasonable place to be in regards to safety etc.

No one knows for certain where it came from and there's also samples in Europe dating a lot earlier than Wuhan but not sure if there's any more news on them.

It's a fairly crap bio weapon as well if it was man made. At the worst plain old incompetence probably. Not helped by obfuscation and general realities of the CCP.

If you make a claim it's also on you to provide evidence if need be. Vs an opinion. The joke maybe in bad taste it's been a crap year laughter helps perhaps.

 

[Maxperson]

Yep, just like multiple governments and many scientists.

 

[Imaculata]

I did not watch Late Show, but how is suggesting that a virus is created in a lab is dangerous?

Do we need any more examples this year that spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories can have dangerous outcomes?

 

[Maxperson]

Do we need any more examples this year that spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories can have dangerous outcomes?

It's neither misinformation, nor a conspiracy theory, though, to believe that the Wuhan facility is a very possible source of the Covid 19 and that it needs to be looked into.

 

[GreyLord]

He went too far in declaring it to absolutely be from the facility, but it's not a conspiracy theory to think that it could be from the facility. There's a significant chance that it did, which is why many people, including highly respected scientists and governments are looking hard at it right now.

This is what I've heard as well.

What I'm about to say is NOT political, but simply restating what I've heard and read. I'll post an older, but good story on it below from NPR.

Initially, the international community did NOT want to say anything about where it may have come from. They needed China's cooperation in order to do the actual investigation. President Trump (at the time the US President) decided to blame China and say it came from a Lab. This was probably based on intelligence he received at the time or reports regarding suspicions that this was the origins of the virus. Instead of keeping it quiet in order to help insure the ability to do a true investigation into the virus's orgins, he broadcasted his accusations of this publically.

This made China uncooperative. This made doing an actual investigation impossible. If it came from a Lab or had origins in the Lab, the investigators no longer had the access to actually find out. In fact, this hindered their investigation into the origins of the Virus almost impossible on all fronts, from figuring if it came from a natural source, where that sources, was, or any other theory.

Thus, they have NO hard evidence (or did not) on it's origins because they were not really allowed into China to do a full investigation in the manner which they would have to figure out the mystery. This means, at this time, we still do not know where the virus actually originated from, though there are suspicions on several fronts.

Relations with China also makes it a sensitive matter to investigate.

NPR Theory that COVID Came from a Lab takes New Life

 

[Ryujin]

I don't know that people are going "all hog wild" to declare that it's a natural virus. That's simply the default, unless something else can be definitely proven.

 

[CleverNickName]

It's neither misinformation, nor a conspiracy theory, though, to believe that the Wuhan facility is a very possible source of the Covid 19 and that it needs to be looked into.

But "possible" doesn't mean the same thing as "probable" or "likely," and people tend to blur them together.

 

[Maxperson]

I don't know that people are going "all hog wild" to declare that it's a natural virus. That's simply the default, unless something else can be definitely proven.

And in most cases we don't have China lying about their covid numbers(well, yes we do), have a Covid research facility at ground zero, have China lying about researches going to study covid viruses in bats not long before the pandemic started, find pictures of said scientists there not long before the pandemic started with said scientists not wearing protective masks, and then have some of those scientists hospitalized in November of 2019 for an illness.

We can't just accept the default and ignore the very real possibility that it came from the research facility.

 

[Maxperson]

But "possible" doesn't mean the same thing as "probable" or "likely," and people tend to blur them together.

Sure, but possible in this case isn't super long odds, either. It's significant enough that the idea needs to be investigated fully.