Point taken.
Perhaps, but I still feel that it may still be that most people bought the physical books, and then decided to argue over the rules through some other means (reddit ? this forums ? someplace else ?)
Agreed.
D&D General D&D Beyond's Users Online Over Last Year
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And.... I'm still playing it, so that sample size of 1 (our group, specifically) statistically proves that it must be doing great !
mamba
Legend
according to WotC's quarterly statements, digital is now about 60% of sales I believe
Really ? Damn... I kinda like my physical books.
Ok, but does that include 3th party VTT's (like, but not limited to, Roll20) ? Because if it does, then those won't show up in these DnD Beyond results, but they will count as 'digital sales'.
mamba
Legend
it was in the context of DDB and how many users that now has, so I assume it was D&D Beyond sales. Maybe all direct sales, including print, through their website
Ah. So do I then interpret that correctly that it only includes 'direct sales' as in 'directly through 'DnD Beyond', but not 3th parties (either digital or 'brick and mortar' selling the physical copies) ?
Well, this is all getting too confusing for me to interpret 'correctly' at all now, perhaps I should just let it be (and get some sleep
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Nobody here can answer that question. You’d have to ask WotC. All we know is what they said, and that they said was “digital sales”.
EzekielRaiden
Follower of the Way
As critical as I am of D&D 5e, this doesn't tell us anything.
Any time there's a big change, there will always be a huge spike and then a falloff. That's just how things work. Notice, for example, that the recent low point is still ~1800, while the (presumptively) non-spike high point at the start is only ~2800. Ignoring the spike periods and trying to get a loose average, it looks like numbers have declined from around 2200-2300 down to around 2000. That's a drop, to be sure, on the order of 10%-15%...but if this is supposed to be "the sky is falling", I don't buy it.
Again, I say this as someone who is a HUGE critic of 5e. I very rarely have nice things to say about it, as most people on this subforum can attest. This isn't evidence of any kind of enormous backlash. If anything, it's merely representative of a slow decline that was already going before 5.5e launched.
And that, IMO, reflects pretty much what I was already expecting. 5.5e, like all "revised" editions, would provide a short-term bump. Updated re-releases never have the same staying power as the original, even if they're objectively superior to the original (and there's plenty of debate as to whether 5.5e is superior). Even when it isn't an actual revision, just a new entry point, you still see this phenomenon--both 2e and 4e never got an "X.5" revision, but they did get alternate entry points, and those only delayed things.
5.5e probably has another 3-5 years left in the tank. While the next year or so will probably be dedicated to adding new content (mostly to fill out the roster of options that were in 5.0 and didn't get immediately ported over), WotC is going to be at least considering 6th Edition from there on out.
Any time there's a big change, there will always be a huge spike and then a falloff. That's just how things work. Notice, for example, that the recent low point is still ~1800, while the (presumptively) non-spike high point at the start is only ~2800. Ignoring the spike periods and trying to get a loose average, it looks like numbers have declined from around 2200-2300 down to around 2000. That's a drop, to be sure, on the order of 10%-15%...but if this is supposed to be "the sky is falling", I don't buy it.
Again, I say this as someone who is a HUGE critic of 5e. I very rarely have nice things to say about it, as most people on this subforum can attest. This isn't evidence of any kind of enormous backlash. If anything, it's merely representative of a slow decline that was already going before 5.5e launched.
And that, IMO, reflects pretty much what I was already expecting. 5.5e, like all "revised" editions, would provide a short-term bump. Updated re-releases never have the same staying power as the original, even if they're objectively superior to the original (and there's plenty of debate as to whether 5.5e is superior). Even when it isn't an actual revision, just a new entry point, you still see this phenomenon--both 2e and 4e never got an "X.5" revision, but they did get alternate entry points, and those only delayed things.
5.5e probably has another 3-5 years left in the tank. While the next year or so will probably be dedicated to adding new content (mostly to fill out the roster of options that were in 5.0 and didn't get immediately ported over), WotC is going to be at least considering 6th Edition from there on out.
AnotherGuy
Hero
So around 2,000 users out of 20 million?
Let us assume 50% are dead accounts, so 2,000 out of 10 million - that is minute.
EDIT: I'm not surprised. Given the advancements in techniques and rules with so many non-D&D games over the last 10-15 years you would have expected them to push forward with some innovations, add-ons for 2024, but they really didn't. In fact they removed Traits, Ideals, Bonds, Flaws instead of building on it. What is done, is done.
I agree with @EzekielRaiden, they're likely working on 6e.
Let us assume 50% are dead accounts, so 2,000 out of 10 million - that is minute.
EDIT: I'm not surprised. Given the advancements in techniques and rules with so many non-D&D games over the last 10-15 years you would have expected them to push forward with some innovations, add-ons for 2024, but they really didn't. In fact they removed Traits, Ideals, Bonds, Flaws instead of building on it. What is done, is done.
I agree with @EzekielRaiden, they're likely working on 6e.
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