D&D has "jumped the shark"

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So I am surfing the Web and come upon this:

Jumping the shark is a metaphor that has been used by U.S. TV critics and fans since the 1990s to denote the tipping point at which a TV series is deemed to have passed its peak. Once a show has "jumped the shark," fans sense a noticeable decline in quality or feel the show has undergone too many changes to retain its original charm.

I truly believe we can apply this to Dungeons&Dragons as we all know it. D&D has definitely "jumped the shark". How many more here believe this to be a fact as well? It certainly fits. By the time 4E is released, everything we've come to know about D&D will be gone and decline to the point where it has lost its original feel and atmosphere.

From what I have read about all the changes to the D&D game with 4th Edition, I've come to the same feeling that I am sure 1E and 2E veterans can now agree on also.

D&D is no longer what it used to be, once 4E comes. Everything we've come to accept as part of D&D is going to either be completely gone, mostly gone, or horrifyingly morphed into something unrecognizable anymore.

I don't believe a word from any of the designers about the necessity of a 4E. They HAVE to say positive things about their product. They HAVE to agree to 4E no matter what. It's their job. They cannot bite the hand that feeds them. I wonder, truly, how many of the designers are thinking,"We could've kept 3.5E and patched it up rather than move to a whole new edition". Everything they say must be taken with a grain of salt. They're uncompromisingly biased.

WotC has lost touch with the roots of the game, with the customers and fans, and have been swept up by corporate-shenannigans. 4E will not bring together new generation gamers and old generation gamers at all like previous editions have. It's ALL going to be new generation. I truly hope 4E bogs, maybe WotC will learn its lesson and learn that tabletops can never compete with MMORPGs. Instead of wasting time and money on what they call "improvements", they could've improved what they already invested in.

So this will be my goodbye to such a great game. I am watching it die on its last legs. Grand History of the Realms, Rules Compendium, and Elder Evils will be my final purchases of D&D products from WotC. I'll be playing my 3.5E games until death, probably.

Because we all know 5th Edition is coming out within the next 5-6 years. Even if you're scoffing at me for saying it, you know deep down it's going to happen and you're going to make that same choice again: follow WotC blindly or really stick it to them and let them know they can't get away with destroying our hobby.

Farewell, Dungeons&Dragons. You will be missed.

D&D R.I.P.
1974-2008
 

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I must admit, I'm sick and tired of the "ZOMG OH NOES D&D is dead!" threads.

Christ, 4e isn't even out yet, you have not looked at the material, you do not know what is going on.

I will continue playing 3.5 for now, maybe upgrade in the future, but this idea that D&D is dying is absurd and unfounded.

I also find this idea that WotC has lost touch with their customer base idiotic. First off, they cater to an EXTREMELY diverse group of people. often times I've picked up books and said "Hmmm now I don't want to use this in a campaign... but DAMN that other thing looks cool."

How does a company that has lost touch with it's customer base win an ENnie?

So, no more naysaying. how about we all wait until we see 4e and the effects it has on the game?
 

AnonymousOne said:
So, no more naysaying. how about we all wait until we see 4e and the effects it has on the game?

I've heard enough, and so has many other gamers out there. D&D 4E will make the game unrecognizable to people from any edition. Let's start with the obvious ones:

---Some iconic Classes are getting kicked
---Some iconic Races are getting kicked
---Spell levels go to 25th (that's supposed to be SIMPLER!?)
---Beholders have 9 eyestalks, not 10
---They'll be working on 5E not too long after 4E is released to repeat this process again
---Vancian magic is almost gone
---The rules are turning D&D into an MMORPG and video game

You must've just started D&D recently if you really believe it will be the same D&D in 4E.
 

I love you. Whenever you post, it's as entertaining as watching the stupid kid who will eat whatever you put in front of him, so everyone can laugh at him, but he thinks they like him.

You do realize they dont, right?
 

Razz said:
You must've just started D&D recently if you really believe it will be the same D&D in 4E.

Ick, not the seniority argument! :eek:

Frankly, a new edition SHOULD bring drastic changes. I don't want to buy a set of new rulebooks that have virtually unaltered content from my previous set.
 


And its folks like you that are killing D&D.

It's cool, though, because I'm the one that'll have the last laugh once you're into your precious 4E for a few years and they announce 5E. What will you say then?
 

Razz said:
And its folks like you that are killing D&D.

It's cool, though, because I'm the one that'll have the last laugh once you're into your precious 4E for a few years and they announce 5E. What will you say then?

"Well, I hope the new edition has relevant changes, only crazy people want to pay money twice for the exact same thing."

Basically what I said three posts above.
 

Razz said:
And its folks like you that are killing D&D.

It's cool, though, because I'm the one that'll have the last laugh once you're into your precious 4E for a few years and they announce 5E. What will you say then?

Me? I'm still going to be laughing at you. Come to think of it, Razz, wasn't this the same melodramatic sort of post you set up when you were 'leaving' the WotC boards? :lol:
 
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