D&D (2024) D&D Pre-orders; this is sad

[UngeheuerLich]

Bro I never suggested anything of the sort. I love D&D, talking about it and playing. I have games today & tomorrow and I've been generally positive on the revision, especially the art. But between the o5e content I have, A5E & TOTV, I've got more stuff than I know what to do with. I don't need new books.

That is great.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Bro I never suggested anything of the sort. I love D&D, talking about it and playing. I have games today & tomorrow and I've been generally positive on the revision, especially the art. But between the o5e content I have, A5E & TOTV, I've got more stuff than I know what to do with. I don't need new books.

That's one of those cases where tone gets lost - I didn't mean that I thought you were suggesting such a thing! I meant the sentence you quoted in terms of "we both know this thing", so I understand what you are trying to get across.

Does that make sense? I seem to be having trouble communicating.

But I mean to say: I empathize with you. I get it.

 

[jerryrice4949]

I donut understand why people here care so much about my purchase.
D&D is the biggest fish already and they have put together a very appealing product. I think they'll be fine without me.

Just to clarify I don’t. I am addressing this thread specifically and the logic in general. As far as your purchase you do you.

 

[Chaosmancer]

agreed, but this started out as ‘if WotC stops printing books, someone else can do so instead thanks to the SRD’, not what anyone does with their home game


that was my point

Okay but... "If I stop buying DnD then I can't purchase DnD" is kind of a no-brainer. Sure, it would suck if WoTC stopped printing books and you don't feel like buying and downloading PDFs, but I don't really think it makes sense to start proudly declaring how the industry will be destroyed because you will stop buying products and then will be unable to buy products.

The original complaint as I understood it, is that if DnD went full walled garden, then anyone who doesn't purchase access to the garden won't have access to DnD materials. But that just won't work with how the DnD game and community are structured, which is why they likely won't attempt to make a walled garden. It wouldn't be worth the effort

 

[mamba]

Okay but... "If I stop buying DnD then I can't purchase DnD" is kind of a no-brainer.

The point was WotC stopping to publish books, not the person stopping to buy them

I don't really think it makes sense to start proudly declaring how the industry will be destroyed because you will stop buying products and then will be unable to buy products

you are confusing cause and effect.

The original complaint as I understood it, is that if DnD went full walled garden, then anyone who doesn't purchase access to the garden won't have access to DnD materials.

yes

But that just won't work with how the DnD game and community are structured, which is why they likely won't attempt to make a walled garden. It wouldn't be worth the effort

it might work that way, give it some time. Not sure how many people buy books vs digital (vs both), but once books is 10%, I can see them phasing them out or at least making them expensive collector editions

 

[Chaosmancer]

The point was WotC stopping to publish books, not the person stopping to buy them


you are confusing cause and effect.


yes


it might work that way, give it some time. Not sure how many people buy books vs digital (vs both), but once books is 10%, I can see them phasing them out or at least making them expensive collector editions

Sure, and once books are less profitable than digital, Amazon will stop selling them to. That doesn't mean that novelizations are dying and Amazon giving away free digital books is a sign of the industry dying. Heck, many of the novels I've been reading (and occassionally buying to support the author) have completely free versions of Royal Road. At least two series I'm buying I first read for free on a digital platform.

Again, your point is rather self-evident. Yes, once it is no longer profitable to make books, WoTC will stop making books. Once it is no longer profitable to make fries, McDonalds will stop making fries. Once it is no longer profitable to sell terrible coffee, Gas stations will stop selling terrible coffee. But, I think people underestimate the physical books and WoTC's plans. I don't think they are even conceiving of dropping their physical books in the next 10 or 15 years, sure things might change, I'm not a prophet, but physical books have many many advantages and I think with the increase in the art budget, WoTC and Hasbro are planning on leveraging those advantages. Because, for example, it is much easier to snag a customer in Wal-Mart with a PHB than it is with a digital download from the DnD website, and that Wal-Mart customer has the potential to turn into a life-long fan. And you just cannot accomplish that digitally.

 

[mamba]

Sure, and once books are less profitable than digital, Amazon will stop selling them to

they already are less profitable for WotC, there 'just' is too much demand for them to phase them out now

Again, your point is rather self-evident. Yes, once it is no longer profitable to make books, WoTC will stop making books.

it was not about it no longer being profitable at all

 

[UngeheuerLich]

they already are less profitable for WotC, there 'just' is too much demand for them to phase them out now

Less profitable per unit. That does not mean it is is less profitable than not selling them. There are other companies that sell two (or more) lines of similar products. One more profitable than the other. But I am very confident that they know what they are doing and not offering one of them would make the whole company less money. As for both lines there is demand. And if they don't sell one of those products, a different company would probably sell something similar.

it was not about it no longer being profitable at all

 

[mamba]

Less profitable per unit. That does not mean it is is less profitable than not selling them.

of course, that is the 'too much demand for printed books to phase them out now' part. It still means WotC has incentive to get their audience to the point where they can

 

[UngeheuerLich]

of course, that is the 'too much demand for printed books to phase them out now' part. It still means WotC has incentive to get their audience to the point where they can

I don't think that is possible. At least as long as I live. Maybe the 100 years aniversary is the digital only break point.