D&D ranger = Texas Ranger?

Lasher Dragon said:
Who says a Nazi never made friends with a Jew? I'm sure it happened - doesn't make the Nazi not a racist. :lol:

How awful.

And no, a "proper" Nazi never made friends with a Jew. If he did it, he was consorting with "lesser human beings" and no longer allowed to call himself a Nazi.

Since I tire of this argument, I'm going to put the facts together one final time:

The definition of Racism is
"1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability..."

This is a definition of real-world humans, who are in fact of the same species. In D&D, all humans, regardless of cultural background (what is defined as race in the real world), have the same characteristics. Other species (races in the D&D sense), on the other hand, have phasical and psychological differences due to their race, for example, orc are less intelligent on average than humans are, and gray elves are smarter. If you accuse anything of racism, you'd have to accuse the very game system of racism, since within D&D it is reality that withing races (what D&D calls races, we would say species), race does account for differences in character or ability.

"...and that a particular race is superior to others."

Now, nowhere in the write-up of the ranger they state that all rangers think anything like that. If you think it does, prove it.


"2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race."

This isn't found anywhere in the write-up of the ranger, either. If you think differently, show me the text passage that reads like this: "rangers will attack their favoured enemies on sight, since they hate them all"

The write up of the Ranger's favoured enemy reads as follows:

"At 1st level, a ranger may select a type of creature from among those given on Table 3-14: Ranger Favored Enemies. Due to his extensive study of his chosen type of foe and training in the proper techniques for combating such creatures, the ragner gains a +2 bonus on Bluff, Listen, Sense Motive, Spot, and Survival checks when using these skills against creatures of this type. Likewise, he gets a +2 bonus on weapon damage rolls against such creatures."
(emphasis mine)

Now it is stated that it is due to extensive study, so prejudice ("An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts.") is right out.

And though the phrases "chosen foe" and "proper techniques for combating such creatures" are used, it states no reason for this, so there is no hard-wired reason for this. It can be because the ranger hates every single member of that race, but it is not always the case. Other reasons could be that the majority of problems in the area are caused by that race, so the ranger had no other choice than to battle them most of the time, gaining his knowledge. This won't mean that he will fight every member of the race. Remember that the situation could be that a human ranger has human as his favoured enemy, just because he specialized at fighting troublemakers and the vast majority of troublemakers are human bandids, with no orcs in the area, only a very small minority of other humanoid races, no monsters, and wild animals are healed by druids.

Or it could be a thousand other reasons. By claiming that all rangers are racists, it is in fact you who show prejudice.
 

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Lasher Dragon said:
Who says a Nazi never made friends with a Jew? I'm sure it happened - doesn't make the Nazi not a racist. :lol:

LasherDragon, I don't like the turn your comments have been taking in this thread. Foolish is OK, but you are veering towards the line where things may become offensive.

Please desist.

Regards,
 

Lasher Dragon said:
I think the key word here is enemy

I play an elven Ranger with humans as his favoured enemy.

Does he hate humans? No.

When it comes to doing battle though, who would he most like to fight? That's right, humans; not because he hates them, but because he is most effective against them.

I think the key word here is favoured.
 

LostSoul said:
I play an elven Ranger with humans as his favoured enemy.
Does he hate humans? No. When it comes to doing battle though, who would he most like to fight? That's right, humans; not because he hates them, but because he is most effective against them.[/i].

"Nothing personal, round ears!"

KER-CHOP!
 

Then the rules themselves are racist. "Elves are frail." is "racial profiling", too.

Archetypes are stereotypes, and D&D is based on archetypes. You can't get away from it.

I think racist rangers, while not mandated, are certainly part of the inspiration. "An orc tribe slaughtered my family, now I WILL KILL ALL ORCS!!!" kind of thing.
 

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