D&D 5E D&D Summer Hardcover Amazon Placeholder

There's a D&D product placeholder for the summer hardcover up on Amazon. It doesn't say much, but confirms the release date as August 16th. There's some product dimensions there, too -- they match a standard D&D hardcover (except for the 2-inch thickness!) -- and an ISBN (978-0786968169).

[Update -- the US version of the placeholder has a price of $69.99.]

We'll find out more on Thursday when the D&D Direct video is released. Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse is on May 17th, and Journeys Through the Radiant Citadel comes out on June 21st.

From previous statements from WotC, we're expecting two classic settings to come back this year, and these will be in a new print format. WotC's Ray Winninger said in June last year that "Each of these products is pursuing a different format you've never seen before. And neither is "digital only;" these are new print formats." Current speculation, based on hints and teasers, is mainly centered around Spelljammer and Dragonlance.


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Russ Morrissey

Russ Morrissey

Mercurius

Legend
I don't know why we should consider Stormwreck an extra though. It's unlikely the D&D team considers it one, they have to make the thing.
Again, semantics. By "extra" I mean any product that doesn't offer substantial new material. Presumably Stormwreck is Essentials 2, right?

And let's add in a couple other things. If we include all products with significant print, then WotC's highest output so far was 2019. It dropped in 2020 and 21, but presumably some of that had to do with Covid, and also 2019 saw three "non-core" products in Tyranny, Stranger Things, and Rick & Morty, plus Essentials.

2020 saw the same number of new hardcovers (4), but instead of those non-core/extras, they released Strahd. 2021 upped the hardcovers to 5, but with no extras.

As others have noted, WotC has said their product output will increase. 2021 saw five hardcovers; if they stick to five and add in Stormwreck, that is technically an increase, but not over 2019 - and not much over 2021.

I'm just saying that if you look at the overall trend, and you take what they say at face value, it seems likely--if not definite--that we'll see the equivalent of six major products, beyond any non-core stuff like starter sets and luxury products. Maybe not in 2022, but certainly by 2023.
 

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Mercurius

Legend
I think a new Magic Setting every year seems pretty plausible. And again, we don't know what James Wyatt is working on now, but previously he was in the Magic worldbuilding team and worked on three Setting books for 5E, plus all the free Magic booklets. And Hammon did a Magic book already, and we don't know what she is working on.
Yeah, it is possible. But if we're looking at 2-3 more major products this year plus Stormwreck, and presumably we're still on schedule for 2 of those to be classic settings.

So if there's a 3rd product that isn't Stormwreck, what is it most likely to be? A new Magic setting is one option, but that would bring the total number of settings this year to 3, something we haven't seen before. It could also be an FR-based story arc, although that could be folded into the Spelljammer product, especially if it is a slipcase.
 

Mercurius

Legend
Goodness, I know the crossover books replaced em pretty much, but I sure do wish the Planeshift Web Articles got a second "season" or what not. They were so cool.
It would be nice to see those expanded--with maps!--and printed in a hardcover. Although how they'd map Zendikar is anyone's guess.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
Yeah, it is possible. But if we're looking at 2-3 more major products this year plus Stormwreck, and presumably we're still on schedule for 2 of those to be classic settings.

So if there's a 3rd product that isn't Stormwreck, what is it most likely to be? A new Magic setting is one option, but that would bring the total number of settings this year to 3, something we haven't seen before. It could also be an FR-based story arc, although that could be folded into the Spelljammer product, especially if it is a slipcase.
I mean, Winninger seems to like Settings, a lot. And Spelljammer, Dragonlance, and Kamigawa don't have a lot of conceptual overlap.
 


Urriak Uruk

Gaming is fun, and fun is for everyone
Again, semantics. By "extra" I mean any product that doesn't offer substantial new material. Presumably Stormwreck is Essentials 2, right?

I'm getting deja-vu here of when folks were saying the Essentials Kit was not a main product, we'll get another book instead, and then that didn't happen.

I mean, the Essentials was almost all new material. The new Stormwreck box I think will probably be almost all new material.
 

Mercurius

Legend
I'm getting deja-vu here of when folks were saying the Essentials Kit was not a main product, we'll get another book instead, and then that didn't happen.

I mean, the Essentials was almost all new material. The new Stormwreck box I think will probably be almost all new material.
I suppose that depends upon what you mean by "new material." Essentials was comprised of 64 pages of rules, which essentially (ahem) summarizes old stuff, plus a 64-page adventure, and then cards and such. So in my mind at least, it mostly just had 64 pages of new material: the adventure.

As for the term "main product," let's not get hung up on semantics. If nothing else, I'm just saying that we should differentiate between something like Essentials and the hardcovers.

But as I've been saying, you could be right, and Stormwreck is the 6th major product, and that's it for 2022. I'm not making a hard prediction either way, except that I think we'll eventually see the hardcover (or equivalent) count upped to six per year, and no later than 2023. So I'm saying 2022 or 2023, and it remains to be seen whether Stormwreck is the 6th major product.
 


GreyLord

Legend
Well, a setting released via a box set is NOT something that 5e has done yet (that I know of) and I FEEL (so, just my Opinion folks) that it would represent a new form of print release for a setting that people have not seen yet.

Other options could also be a direct release to D&D Beyond rather than other methods of publication (though, this would be more of a testing the waters to see how this is taken accepted, it could upset a number of people so if done this way it would probably be via a smaller setting people would want...maybe planescape, spelljammer, or something even more niche).

It could be that a setting is released via a boardgame concept or even via an FREE RPG day product.

Many options are out there I think.
 

Urriak Uruk

Gaming is fun, and fun is for everyone
I suppose that depends upon what you mean by "new material." Essentials was comprised of 64 pages of rules, which essentially (ahem) summarizes old stuff, plus a 64-page adventure, and then cards and such. So in my mind at least, it mostly just had 64 pages of new material: the adventure.

As for the term "main product," let's not get hung up on semantics. If nothing else, I'm just saying that we should differentiate between something like Essentials and the hardcovers.

But as I've been saying, you could be right, and Stormwreck is the 6th major product, and that's it for 2022. I'm not making a hard prediction either way, except that I think we'll eventually see the hardcover (or equivalent) count upped to six per year, and no later than 2023. So I'm saying 2022 or 2023, and it remains to be seen whether Stormwreck is the 6th major product.

I do not remember how much of the rules in the Essentials it was, but the sidekicks were new. But you're right, we are circling so I won't push any further.
 

Dire Bare

Legend
Spelljammer pop-up book confirmed!
Well . . . maybe not Spelljammer, but . . .

 

Mercador

Explorer
2 inch? Compilation of something? My biggest TTRPG is Zweihander. While being an excellent book, it's a bit too big for regular usage.
 


vecna00

Speculation Specialist Wizard
I mean, Winninger seems to like Settings, a lot. And Spelljammer, Dragonlance, and Kamigawa don't have a lot of conceptual overlap.

Kamigawa would make a lot of sense, for a number of reasons. And Wyatt has the history with Asian-inspired settings.
Kamigawa could be a stealth release of some modern/future-esque rules if they use the new version.

Official mech rules for 5e incoming!
 


The planeshift articles were very interesting, but it was more like a test to know the reaction by the fandom. But my suggestion is a "second seasons" with other titles or franchises, for example stats for the characters of Street Fighter, or Hero Quest. The handicap is they couldn't use the fabulous pictures from M:tG cards.

I see several books are like "pilot episodes", ideas later could become a new setting.

Kamigawa: Neon Dinasty is cyberpunk and that means lots of new crunch that needs previous playtesting, and vehicles.
 

vecna00

Speculation Specialist Wizard
I seem to recall that they said the new setting wasn't a Magic setting.
That is correct, the two new settings are not Magic settings. That does not necessarily stop them from releasing a Magic setting or two in addition to the new ones, just reduces the likelihood of it happening during that time.
 


Whilst more MtG settings in the pipeline are certainly possible, I'm pretty sure the Amazon placeholder isn't one, nor is it something that will be announced this week. It would be much further out.

WotC have been busy dropping hints left right and centre, and they all tie either to Spelljammer or the Stormwrack boxed set via the old D&D cartoon.
 

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