Spelljammer Dark Sun confirmed? Or, the mysterious case of the dissappearing Spelljammer article...

Faolyn

(she/her)
I may be misremembering, as it is a long time since I read it, but I think the original I6 version of Ravenloft also had joke names in that crypt.
It's probably a good thing I didn't read that module first, since it would have killed my interest in the setting immediately.
 

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Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
It reverses the Spellplague - mostly - but it doesn't ignore it and pretend it never happened. SCAG's Realms is the same Realms from 4E, and 3E, and 2E, and 1E, just updated with metaplot changes. Unlike Ravenloft, which reboots the setting from scratch, and only nods to old lore as Easter eggs.
It kind of acknowledges the spellplague as a thing that happened, but it rolls back a lot of the changes with no explanation. This is seen most strongly in pre-spellplague characters just being alive again, despite the massive time skip.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
It kind of acknowledges the spellplague as a thing that happened, but it rolls back a lot of the changes with no explanation. This is seen most strongly in pre-spellplague characters just being alive again, despite the massive time skip.
Their design goal was to unify the Forgotten Realms fanbase as much as possible. They discovered that metaplot did the same thing to their fanbase that publishing a number of Settings did: every time they advanced the world, they lost a slice of customers to those who stuck with the previous timeline, rather than growing the overall numbers. Ao, SCAG is meant to work with 1E, 2E, and 3E Setting products, or appeal to those who wanted to keep "up to date." Then, cut out the metaplot, and let the Setting stay stable.

They really want people using the 3E FRCS and the 1E Grey Box to be able to run the official Adventures in 5E.
 

Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
Their design goal was to unify the Forgotten Realms fanbase as much as possible. They discovered that metaplot did the same thing to their fanbase that publishing a number of Settings did: every time they advanced the world, they lost a slice of customers to those who stuck with the previous timeline, rather than growing the overall numbers. Ao, SCAG is meant to work with 1E, 2E, and 3E Setting products, or appeal to those who wanted to keep "up to date." Then, cut out the metaplot, and let the Setting stay stable.

They really want people using the 3E FRCS and the 1E Grey Box to be able to run the official Adventures in 5E.
Yeah. Hopefully the metaplot trend stays dead and buried.
 





overgeeked

B/X Known World
Aestheticly, no reason not to: the problem for the game is that it is not sustainable for a game world the same way it is for, say, the MCU.
Practically, every reason to not like the metaplot. It gives players a false sense of expectations that will inevitably butt heads with the referee's version of the setting. It's great if your only engagement with the setting is to read it. But if you're going to actually play in that setting...forget it.
 
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Parmandur

Book-Friend
Practically, every reason to not like the metaplot. It give players a false sense of expectations that will inevitably butt heads with the referee's version of the setting. It's great if your only engagement with the setting is to read it. But if you're going to actually play in that setting...forget it.
Yeah, exactly. It's not even possible to "keep up" with it, because every table will always be diverging itown way.

I can say from several years experience that mixing the 3E FRCS with SCAG is quite doable, if one is willing to fudge certain details.
 

The metaplot can't work in the same way in the age of internet. And if Hasbro wants the franchise D&D to become a cinematographic universe, then screenwritters from Hollywood could be hired. And some times fiction can be affected by the real life, for example a female character is pregnant because the actress of the action-live adaptation is, or somebody dies because the actor was fired.

If the comingsoon action-live movie of D&D works in the box-office then Hasbro could choose to continue or stop the partnership deal with Paramount. This was going to end very soon.

Let's remember for the Blue and Green Ages the Crimson Sphere or Athaspace wasn't locked yet. Settles or colonies of Athasian culture could appear in other places, and some like this some races could survive the cleasing war. Maybe these groups want to reconquer Athas, and the sorcerer-kings have been get ready for this for centuries.

My theory is we will see as a teaser a spin-off working as a spiritual sequel, with the same crunch and look, but some changues in the lore or background.

Some times in the past I suggested a crossover Dark Sun - Jackandor.
 

I enjoyed the metaplot, but I completely understand those that don't.
Novels were the main culprits here - before 5e, and especially in 2e and 3e, they were pushing out new FR novels by the cartload, which caused all sorts of metaplot chaos. Now that that has been cut back severely to the periodic Drizzt novel, it would be much more manageable, especially if things moved forward at a very slow pace. One thing 3e did is that every few years they would do an update in one of the setting books on what had happened recently in the setting when they moved the date forward a few years; but that was only necessary since so many novels and adventures were coming out each year. Honestly, if they do finally release a full-fledged FR setting book during or after the 2024 edition update, they could probably move the date to say 1496 DR or so, mention some of the events of the 5e adventures, and probably leave it be for a decade or so.
 


Can you spot the difference between fictional things that can't, don't, and have never happened in the real world vs factual things that have, did, and continue to happen in the real world?

People can't really get bent out of shape about life-sucking undead, because it's clearly fictional. People can and will get bent out of shape about depictions of slavery...especially if those depictions are in any way whitewashed.

People can get bent out of shape over anything.
 

delericho

Legend
Honestly, if they do finally release a full-fledged FR setting book during or after the 2024 edition update, they could probably move the date to say 1496 DR or so, mention some of the events of the 5e adventures, and probably leave it be for a decade or so.
If it were me, and given the fact that the market is now so thoroughly dominated by new fans, I'd take the opportunity to pick a date (some time after the most recent update), decide how they want the world to look, and then write a new history for the world that pays lip service to the big events of the past but doesn't put much detail into them (that is, the Spellplague happened, but don't bother describing just what it changed where or why).

(But the key thing there is that I'd decide how I wanted it to look first, and then revise the history to suit. So if there's some nation that was wiped out in the 4e update but that I wanted back, I'd happily ignore that 4e update.)

And once that was done, I'd freeze it as is (or as close to it as they can manage) - no Realms Shaking events for 6e, or whatever new editions are called. Cut Drizzt and the movies loose and let them do their own thing, but for the game it stays were it is.

The end result would be similar to the position with Eberron - there have been a very small number of updates to the lore since it was first published, but the calendar has stayed the same.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
Novels were the main culprits here - before 5e, and especially in 2e and 3e, they were pushing out new FR novels by the cartload, which caused all sorts of metaplot chaos. Now that that has been cut back severely to the periodic Drizzt novel, it would be much more manageable, especially if things moved forward at a very slow pace. One thing 3e did is that every few years they would do an update in one of the setting books on what had happened recently in the setting when they moved the date forward a few years; but that was only necessary since so many novels and adventures were coming out each year. Honestly, if they do finally release a full-fledged FR setting book during or after the 2024 edition update, they could probably move the date to say 1496 DR or so, mention some of the events of the 5e adventures, and probably leave it be for a decade or so.
Thing is, they want to keep selling those Sword Coast Adventure books. They aren't "things that happened in the Forgotten Realms" as in metaplot, they are fields of quantum probability waiting to be collapsed at the table, much like Eberron's big potential events.

The Forgotten Realms of the future may always br on the precipice of the chaos of the 1490's, waiting for a group of Adventurer's.
 

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