Dark Sun in Dungeon #110

[Ranger REG]

The funny thing is that Lucas told Salavatore he had to kill one of the core group off, but it was up to him who to kill.

Perhaps, but until I see the "mistake" on-screen -- like the two appearances of Jar Jar Bink -- anything from the Expanded Universe is non-canon, as a point of discussion purpose only. What I do with my own Star Wars campaign (set after the Jedi Academy Trilogy) is my own. So what's canon in my game is not canon in yours.

The same applies to Dark Sun. What's canon in your DS game may not be canon in mine.

 

[SSquirrel]

Perhaps, but until I see the "mistake" on-screen -- like the two appearances of Jar Jar Bink -- anything from the Expanded Universe is non-canon, as a point of discussion purpose only. What I do with my own Star Wars campaign (set after the Jedi Academy Trilogy) is my own. So what's canon in my game is not canon in yours.

The same applies to Dark Sun. What's canon in your DS game may not be canon in mine.

Well for it to even be an issue you would have to be running in the New Jedi Order with the Yuzhong Vong(sp?) which is 20+ years after Jedi. Like I've said before, don't use anything Lucas or other s have said that you dont't like it's simple. I agree that you should use what you feel like for your own game. I was just pointing out that Chewie's death was really ordered by Lucas.

Hagen

 

[Alzrius]

The same applies to Dark Sun. What's canon in your DS game may not be canon in mine.

Actually, this is a mis-use of the term. By its very definition, something cannot be subjectively canon. What you do in your game may be different from other people's, but there is only a singular canonity, and it is immutable (save for it's source authority).

 

[Ranger REG]

Well, what term can one use when there is a set of accepted statements, facts, and/or beliefs in your campaign but not in others?

Oh, but it won't change my mind. Materials from Athas.org is not canon. In fact, most recently I've decided to use the "canon" term in its strictest application: Both Dark Sun material from Athas.org and from Dragon #319/Dungeon #110 are not canon.

There. Now you can bicker with Paizo as to who has the "official noncanon" Dark Sun material. (I know, it's an oxymoron.)

 

[Bendris Noulg]

So I'm sittin' here watching Star Trek II and I started wondering...

Since the Eugenics Wars didn't occur, genetic engineering is about 50 years behind Roddenberry's vision, cryogenics still just a theory, and the Botany Bay never launching in 1996 with its renegade "super humans" onboard, does that remove Space Seed and The Wrath of Khan from Star Trek canon?

Of course, this begs the question: If Enterprise B rescued a ship of refugees fleeing from the Borg (read: Gienan's people, whatever their name was), did we really need Q to introduce Enterprise D to them?

Gawds, I love these debates!

 

[SSquirrel]

Well, what term can one use when there is a set of accepted statements, facts, and/or beliefs in your campaign but not in others?

An altered timeline and a list of "my version of X, Y and Z" is something I always work up if I'm departing from the established setting of anything. Heck I just made a file ages ago called "My 3E Changes.doc" and if I ran regular D&D I would make sure every character received a copy as it lists allowed PrCs, feats, etc. I did the same for AU but have yet to get a copy to everyone. Since I'm the only one with that book I'm not too worried about it yet.

Star Trek>Ok, not being a real Trekkie (Like TNG, DSN post head shaving and the movies only pretty much) why did teh Eugenics War not happen etc? Also who was it that reversed the decision for all this? Removing Wrath of Kahn would be bad IMO as I always felt it was one of the better movies. But that starts the arguement of whethere its the odd or even movies that are crap. For my money, starting after Kahn the even suck largely *grin*

Hagen

 

[Kesh]

Canon has nothing to do with reality, and little to do with logic.

 

[Bendris Noulg]

...why did teh Eugenics War not happen etc?

Because it's 2004, dude...

Canon has nothing to do with reality, and little to do with logic.

See... Kesh gets it.

 

[jmucchiello]

And I thought I'd find a discussion of them material in Dungeon #110 here. Sillly me.

 

[Ranger REG]

Star Trek>Ok, not being a real Trekkie (Like TNG, DSN post head shaving and the movies only pretty much) why did teh Eugenics War not happen etc? Also who was it that reversed the decision for all this? Removing Wrath of Kahn would be bad IMO as I always felt it was one of the better movies. But that starts the arguement of whethere its the odd or even movies that are crap. For my money, starting after Kahn the even suck largely *grin*

Who said the War didn't happen? Well, not on our real-world timeline, but it happened on Star Trek timeline. Who said otherwise?

As for the even-numbered Trek films are better than the odd-numbered ones, it started with Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, then it was followed by Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home which has the best box office record of all Trek film to date (it was an environmentally-minded film, that opened when caring for the environment was the focus of our society, doing Earth Day and whatnot), then Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (the second of two Nicholas Meyer films, the first being TWOK ... a sociopolitically themed movie that mirrors the end of US-Soviet superpower rivalry). All of these three films have either a good story to tell or it catered to the audience of that time.

After VI, new people took over the franchise and pretty much messing with the pattern. It was a fluke that First Contact (the eight Trek film) did well in the box office, despite criticisms (many fans cannot ignore the characterization and casting of Earth's Father of Warp Drive, Zephram Cochrane). The tenth Trek film, NEMESIS, pretty much broke the pattern.