Darksun Teasers

[DarthMouth]

Isn't that an argument in favor of Dragonborn being able to integrate smoothly into the setting? If you can have Dark Sun Elves who are different from Core Elves, why not the same for Dragonborn? What do you lose in making "Dark Sun Dragonborn", especially when they can already fit a pre-existing race in the fluff? You lose nothing, and you gain accessibility and character options.

Man, seriously. Baker posts about coming up with reasons to put some thought into the geography of the setting, and this is cause for condemnation? A prelude to a 'trainwreck'?

Yeah, there will be complaints about 4E Dark Sun. I think this thread has done a great job of proving how eager some are to start complaining without needing any actual issue to complain about.

This. Perfect. I can see Dray as twisted Dragonborn all way long.

And i think the elemental potential o D_Sun can be more explored too..

I dont mind forgotten primordials...

tieflngs could be a harder task..

i realy like what i read..

 

[avin]

Not only was there nothing ruling it out, but it actually makes a lot of sense. SOMETHING created the world, SOMETHING gave the elemental spirits much more power to connect with humanoids.

As long as Wotc don't start explaining every mistery that makes Dark Sun cool...

 

[MrMyth]

Dark Sun has no Dragons. Dragonborn would be a poor fit.

Given they already have an existing race of dragonmen, that argument holds little weight.

Dark Sun 2nd ed druids do not have healing magic, you must have screwed up and used basic 2nd ed druids. Dark Sun druids are basically Elemental Clerics who draw their Elemental Spheres from the lands they guard.

Man, seems like working in Primordials and elemental themes would be perfect for the setting, doesn't it?

The expanded setting, in general, was terrible. Because it RUINED THE PREMISE. The premise was that Athas was an awful damn place. If you wanted something better, you had to sweat, toil, sacrifice and probably DIE to bring it about.

Sounds like a good argument that making changes is fine, as long as they fit the premise and themes, yes?

 

[Dannager]

Again, this is why I think 4e and Dark Sun are completely at odds with each other. 4e demands you tell him where it goes. Dark Sun says "They aren't in this setting."

Yet.

My concept of Dark Sun isn't so restrictive.

Nothing is in a setting until you put it there. You've just frozen Dark Sun as a setting in your mind and refuse to acknowledge that a setting can expand to include more than it originally did. Which is unfortunate.

 

[Phaezen]

I am more than happy to see what changes they will make to the Dark Sun setting, especially as it seems that they are thinking about the setting, what works, what makes sense and more importantly what doesn't.

Take for example adding a small mountain range between the Sea of Silt and the Dragons Bowl ,makes sense, for the reasons that Rich Baker gives, they were not just randomly thrown in. They looked at the setting, saw a problem and found a solution. If I don't like the solution when I see it, I can always break out the map from my 2nd Ed Dark Sun box set. For those who are not familiar with the setting it won't really make that much of a difference.

Next June/July is too long to have to wait for the campaign setting, but so far, in my opinion, it seems to be in good hands.

 

[Dausuul]

It's regarding his commentary of offhand inserting the Elemental Chaos and Primordials into the setting.

We already knew there were going to be Primordials. They said as much in the announcement.

 

[Phaezen]

It's regarding his commentary of offhand inserting the Elemental Chaos and Primordials into the setting.
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We already knew there were going to be Primordials. They said as much in the announcement.

You mean this quote

Something long ago *transformed* the sea into dust. The water didn't just evaporate or drain off (at least, not completely); it was changed into something else. If Athas is a world where the gods are absent, was this the work of a Primordial? Does that Primordial remain in Athas, maintaining the Sea in its current state? Or is it the effect of a colossal spell that was cast during the Cleansing Wars, much as the sun was darkened by Rajaat's creation of his Champions? Here's a spot where cleaning up an "inconsistency" pushes you into fantastic world-building and creative answers to a question. My fellow designers and I came up with an answer we liked; in about 11 months you can see for yourself which way we decided to go.

He has not confirmed that they have added a primordial. All he says is that it is is something they considered.

 

[Dausuul]

He has not confirmed that they have added a primordial. All he says is that it is is something they considered.

No, I mean the original announcement of Dark Sun as the 2010 setting.

The gods of the setting are absent or dead, replaced by elemental spirits tied to the ancient primordials.

It's old news. Been out for a month and a half. Personally, I see no reason to be concerned about it; primordials make perfect sense in the context of Dark Sun.

 

[Keefe the Thief]

Again, this is why I think 4e and Dark Sun are completely at odds with each other. 4e demands you tell him where it goes. Dark Sun says "They aren't in this setting."

This is the setting that has continuously new races spawned at the Pristine Tower. Unknown humanoid goons crawling out of the desert is a CORE idea of Dark Sun.

And Dragonborn can crawl.

 

[Jhaelen]

...apart from the Dray, of course, which are basically humanoid dragons.


Er, no.... I think you're confused. Dark Sun druids - unlike clerics - had MAJOR (ie, full) access to the Cosmos domain, where all the good healing spells lived. They had this in addition to their Elemental access.


Hey, I don't disagree that the Revised setting wasn't as good as the original box set. I more or less completely ignored it, myself. But therein lies part of my point - nothing will be that original box set again. And if you're worried about WotC "ruining" the setting by adding 4e or planar elements, you're ignoring TSR's multitudinous changes. You can't re-wreck something that's already been wrecked. (Heck; WotC has already said they're reversing the timeline to pre-Prism Pentad!)

Thanks for making the reply I was going to make

@ProfessorChirno: I'm a big fan of the 2E Darksun setting (probably the best campaign I ever DMed) and I like 4E - Gee, what a rare animal I must be

You're btw. one of the few anti-everything-that-is-new people on these boards that aren't on my ignore-list, yet, because in about 1 in 50 threads you have something interesting to say; unfortunately, this doesn't seem to be one of them. But at least you incited an interesting discussion

Dragonborn make lots of sense in a setting that already has about a dozen humanoid reptilian races. Darksun also had elemental drakes, btw.
It'll be interesting to see what they'll do about the gnomes, though...