Dear 4e, Please Stop with the Horrible Portmanteaus!

Uh.... what? Where do you think super-dominant Anglican surnames like Baker, Smith, and Miller come from? My own surname may mean something in Gaelic rather than something in English, but that's because it's not an English name.
But while it's perfectly common to see someone named Smith or Miller, try finding people named Ironhammer or Grainsmasher.

Owlbear, despite the slights it's seen on these threads, is actually a great name. Someone who's never seen a picture of an owlbear would nevertheless imagine something pretty close, just on the strength of the name. Similarly, a gaming group who's never heard of an owlbear is given the monster's description, but no name, will probably wind up calling the monster an owlbear (or a bear-owl) by the end of the combat. But had the 4e team invented the owlbear, you can bet it'd be called a featherclaw rager instead.

4e has fairly distinctive naming conventions, and they consistently produce bad names. The problem, as I see it, is threefold:

1) Focus on the game-important features of a creature.
The 4e name for a stegosaurus is "Bloodspike Behemoth". But take a look at the stegosaurus for a moment. Who, looking at a stegosaurus with the gigantic plates on its back, would decide to name it after the tailspikes? Those greek-loving 19th century biologists decided to call it "armored roof lizard" instead. But there's no "hit character with back plates" power, so a much more impressive aspect of the creature is ignored in favor of its weaponry. The word Greyhawk betrays no creativity. After all, there a plenty of grey hawks in the world. The creativity comes when someone chose to name a castle, a city, and ultimately a campaign setting after a bird. Nobody said "hey, shouldn't the name of this ruined castle emphasize the nature of the death cult that the PCs will encounter within?" Nobody said "This city is supposed to be our player's home base. Should the name emphasize it's safe and homey nature"?

2) Overdosing on Cool
Sorrowsworn Soulripper. There are a lot of cool words in that name. The problem is, these words are cool because they invoke concepts and images in our minds. In this combination, the invoked concepts become meaningless--When I hear sorrowsworn, it invokes the concept of tragic duty. Perhaps a sorrowsworn does terrible things for noble reasons, or toils in penance for some past wrong. Soulripper, on the other hand, invokes something that goes past the material world to attack a creature's very soul--and with a word like 'rip' I imagine the attack is intentionally painful. But the concept of tragic duty combines poorly with a creature that excels in psychic torture. The words in the name become meaningless.

3) Improper adherence to form.
Deathrattle is a great and evocative name for a snake. Calling it a deathrattle viper instead only detracts from it. Feywild and Shadowfell are a thousand times cooler than "plane of faerie" and "plane of shadow". But feydark and shadowdark are laughably bad. The fact that you can combine words in a slightly different way to get the much superior underwild and underfell reveals how little thought went into those names. The designers have established a pattern of names that doesn't always give the greatest results. And now that the pattern is established, it's actually killing the creativity that exists.
 

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But while it's perfectly common to see someone named Smith or Miller, try finding people named Ironhammer or Grainsmasher.
Except that we're humans, not dwarves.

Ironhammer or Grainsmasher is a traditional Dwarven-sounding name.

Pick ANY dwarf last name and that's what it says.
 

While names like Shadowfell and Feywild are a bit trite I can't help having a similar feeling with these 1E underworld oldies but goodies:

Shallowshadow, Midgloom, Deepdark

:hmm:

That wasn't D&D, that was Epic of Aerth, for the Mythus game.

I'm just pleased somebody remembers an obscure Gygax creation though! :)
 
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arscott
But while it's perfectly common to see someone named Smith or Miller, try finding people named Ironhammer or Grainsmasher.
Except that we're humans, not dwarves.

Ironhammer or Grainsmasher is a traditional Dwarven-sounding name.

Pick ANY dwarf last name and that's what it says.

Simply put, names like that are cultural.

I have a good friend from Oklahoma who's favorite uncle is named Whitekiller. (No, I never did ask him how long the name had been in the family.)

And, for the record, my real-world surname means "King of the Elves"...not that I have pointy ears or anything.
 

It's not that they're portmanteau names. It's that they're bad portmanteau names. They're all SO! DAMN! AWESOME! LOOK! HOW! AWESOME! IT! IS! LOOK! AT! ALL! THE! EXCITING! WORDS! WE! SMASHED! TOGETHER!

Also, WotC should be banned from using the words "war," "battle," "blade," and "sword" in the names of any concepts that are not (respectively) wars, battles, blades, or swords.
 
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While some names in 4E I find silly (Feywild, Shadowfell, etc), I actually really like Vicejaw Crocodiles.

Languages are a funny thing, what sounds cool to some people sounds lame to others.
 

Reading the PHB3 thread I was struck yet again by a number of potentially very cool concepts marred by this utterly horrendous naming convention. I can understand that when the edition started out the 4e designers probably wanted to set out in a new direction and thought that maybe these portmanteaus would be a nifty way to go.

While I'm not a fan of seeing it in 4e, I was a bit annoyed by the preponderance of it showing up in 3rd edition as well, with the Soulknife, Warmage, Soulsage, Spellthief, Duskblade, etc.

What's so 'exotic' and difficult for newbies with good, solid class names like Crusader, Scout and Warlock, or planes called 'Limbo' or 'Hell,' instead of the Fellnight and Scarybad and DarkityDark DoublePlusUnGood. Yeesh, we're hardly hurting for words, in this language!

Then there were other later additions, like the new elven goddess, Sehanine 'Moonbow.' Yeah, that sounds like a god who belongs in a group of dieties with the last names Larethian, Enorath, Rallithil, Sashelas, Faenya, Thelandira, Ilesere and Celanil. "Hi, I'm Kirith Sotheril, and this is my goddess, Magicprincess Sparklepony!"

It reminds me of the names I used to see from children on City of Heroes like Darkblood Skulldeath or Stabbity McStabberson or whatever.

I'm sure someone in this thread has already linked to the Penny Arcade 'In search of a more robust cosmology' page, so I'll skip it. :)
 
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While I'm not a fan of seeing it in 4e, I was a bit annoyed by the preponderance of it showing up in 3rd edition as well, with the Soulknife, Warmage, Soulsage, Spellthief, Duskblade, etc. It reminds me of the names I used to see from children on City of Heroes like Darkblood Skulldeath or Stabbity McStabberson or whatever.

I'm sure someone in this thread has already linked to the Penny Arcade 'In search of a more robust cosmology' page, so I'll skip it. :)

The Soulknife, Spellthief and Warmage at least have the advantage of being descriptive of the class' main schtick. That makes sense like the flora and fauna we see in nature- scissortails, spoonbills, springbocks, razorbacks, hammerheads, saber-tooth tigers, pitcher plants, and so forth.

Not that everything in the RW passes that test- the anti-osteoporosis drug Boniva sounds ridiculous...and not just because of "bone-itis" from Futurama.

Duskblade, though...

Sounds like someone was smoking something while reading "The Great Big Book of Elves!"
 

And, for the record, my real-world surname means "King of the Elves"...not that I have pointy ears or anything.

Heh, one of my ears (the left) has a rather striking point (it curves towards the back) ... its a scottish/irish trait and may be a connection to leprechaun legends.
 

Then there were other later additions, like the new elven goddess, Sehanine 'Moonbow.' Yeah, that sounds like a god who belongs in a group of dieties with the last names Larethian, Enorath, Rallithil, Sashelas, Faenya, Thelandira, Ilesere and Celanil. "Hi, I'm Kirith Sotheril, and this is my goddess, Magicprincess Sparklepony!"
Didn't Sehanine show up with the rest of the Seldarine in 1992's Monster Mythology?

Heck, they're not even calling her moonbow anymore (at least, not in the core books).
 

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