Deities & Demigods vs Faiths & Pantheons

[Florin]

I disagree! PCs will spend more time interacting with the mortal servants who make up the church and much of its doctrine. Gods should rarely, if ever be seen "in person" but should be felt through visions, signs, portents, omens, etc.

Why's that? In the Scarred Lands setting, the gods were seen just a short time ago, when they beatdown the titans. In Greek mythology, the gods were always coming to Earth to play. Heck, in the Forgotten Realms, the gods were there only a short time ago too, although in a much weaker state... In the Greyhawk campaign, they make a point of saying that gods are banned from the world, which implies that such a state is not of the norm.

Maybe an avatar or possessed priest that the god speaks through if you're lucky (or unlucky!).

To make fantasy religions believable, we NEED more nitty-gritty on how to use the religion and its believers in our games... not "my god can beat up your god" stat-blocks that encourage the idea that gods can be killed! Such mortal hubris is a sure prescription for the deities to lay down the smack on arrogant munchkins everywhere!

Frankly, the idea that beating up gods with mortals is munchkin comes from 1st edition where things didn't scale very well. With 3rd edition, if you can keep your character alive long enough, he could theoretically get high enough level to challenge the gods, especially with the ELH coming out. Give a 120th-level character a +5 sword and he could beat up on a lot of the lower-ranking gods.

 

[Hattersai]

Go Finder.

Okay me done now.

 

[ruleslawyer]

There are not prestige classes for every god. I sort of wish there were, honestly, but we didn't have the space for that sort of thing and the folks who planned what was going to be in the book wanted to keep some of the prestige classes more general (which is something I do agree with, as it means more utility for everyone).

There's not a lot of "recovered ground" in the F&P prestige classes. For instance, you _won't_ see versions of the divine seeker, divine champion, etc. as ruleslawyer suggests in his last post.

Sorry; what I meant to say was that, as with the divine champion, divine seeker, and divine disciple, my prognosis was that there would be divine-themed PrCs for each class, not each deity. I of course assume that the Chm, Dis, and Skr PrCs won't be reprinted in F&P.

Brings us to one question: Presumably, F&P uses nothing from the class books and cap books, right? So the deities in F&P won't have feats like Jack of All Trades, Quicker than the Eye, etc.? WIll there be any new and nifty feats for deities included to balance this out?

 

[Paladin]

*bump*

 

[seankreynolds]

*bump*

I'm not really sure I can answer those questions; we're approaching the limit of what I can say about the upcoming book.

 

[Dareoon Dalandrove]

As I read through the posts here one thought kept going through my mind. "You can't please everyone all the time."

 

[Paladin]

I'm not really sure I can answer those questions; we're approaching the limit of what I can say about the upcoming book.

 

[Vecna]

Faith & Pantheons preview is here

 

[Dispater]

"Only" 30 gods will have stats. What a ripoff..

 

[Numion]

"Only" 30 gods will have stats. What a ripoff..

Wasn't there a deal from WotC that you get stats for the rest of the gods once you've beaten the first 30?