MichaelSomething
Legend
There's always PBTA game. No complex character creation there.
That's probably a good idea for a palate cleanse after 4e.There's always PBTA game. No complex character creation there.
Automatic bonus progressionIts not just the plus, but also extra basic damage dice. There's an optional rule for just baking it into the characters at the appropriate levels who's name escapes me at the moment.
Not sure how that doesn't apply to every TTRPG ever made.Something else to keep in mind is that PF2E in particular was pretty much designed specifically for its fans.
If you're not the type of person for whom it just clicks, there's probably more than a few things to take issue with in terms in how it does things, and some of those are going to make the game unpalatable as a whole.
Not sure how that doesn't apply to every TTRPG ever made.
Automatic bonus progression
Automatic Bonus Progression - Rules - Archives of Nethys: Pathfinder 2nd Edition Database
This variant removes the item bonus to rolls and DCs usually provided by magic items (with the exception of armor’s item bonus) and replaces it with a new kind of bonus—potency—to reflect a character’s innate ability. In this variant, magic items, if they exist at all, can provide unique special...2e.aonprd.com
So agree. I remember struggling trying to put in some custom content to a different character builder, PCGen, back in the 3.5 (or was it 3ed) era. Not fun, and I knew coding.I'm generally torn about using them too much because 1) they're convenient but 2) they aren't all very friendly about adding custom content. So while most of my players use Hero Lab for the 5e game I run, we've struggled with custom content because it is NOT easy to do.
In the extended group of D&D players, there are several who use apps to build/manage their characters and they are not in the slightest forced to learn the rules when updating them.I will say that when you ask your players to update their characters, they learn the rules; full stop. You may be able to kill two birds with one stone for your 4e group - share the documents with them and wish them luck; and offer to join them 1x1 to show them how to do it.
No, it's not.That is a bit like saying any game that can't be played using d6s is too complex.
Because for most they're a cost to participation, not a reason for it.Character builders are a tool. If they enable a particular style of game that people enjoy why crap on that?