D&D General Did 5e 2024 Not meet the economic goals set, and if not, why not?

I get it though. It’s understandable for folks to want to enjoy a little bit of schadenfreude when there’s a chance something they like don’t like will diminish in comparison to something the do like. I’d be the same.

We just shouldn’t take it too seriously if it turns out it’s speculation being driven by a lot of clickbait.
 

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It's amazing watching people defend power creep as not being there after wotc themselves talked up power creep as a deliberate and desirable goal to plan for a while back.

When you played D&D before
Couldn't look you in the eye
You just like to roleplay
Your champion fighter makes me cry
You just like the fluff
And the lore of the campaign world
I wish I was special
Gonna make my character so special

But I'm a creep
I'm a powergamer
What the hell am I doin' here?
I don't belong here

I don't care if pun-pun is lame
I wanna have control
I’m gonna play the perfect game
It won’t matter what I roll
I want the DM to notice
When my PC is not around
So friggin' special
My multiclassed optimized PC is special…

But I'm a creep
I'm a powergamer
What the hell am I doin' here?
I don't belong here
 

Because eventually the power levels across the board causes the game to move out of one's comfort zone, potentially, and make the experience less fun.
I thought you liked Level Up though? That had undeniable power creep on 5e? A whole suite of extra abilities were added to every class? It’s not a problem but seems like a contradiction.
 


Because since 1974 monster power creep never came close to pc power creep.
Im kinda ok with that. Don’t really want to go back to the days of having 3hp at 1st level, a 22% chance of being able to pick a lock and 1 spell per day (which might be cantrip). 😉
 
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I thought you liked Level Up though? That had undeniable power creep on 5e? A whole suite of extra abilities were added to every class? It’s not a problem but seems like a contradiction.
Different base game. I'm not basing it's power level on 5.0 or 5.5, just comparing it to itself. Also I was explaining why power creep can be a problem, not saying power creep in 5.5 is a problem for me. And the nature of new abilities is important. In Level Up many abilities add granularity and verisimilitude to different aspects of play that I favor. Not every change in Level Up just makes the PCs stronger either; many spells are adjusted downward or sideways, and rules like Supply can be a PC obstacle.

And in any case, if I specifically want an experience where PCs have a rough time of it, there are several OSR games I favor that provide just that: Shadowdark, ACKS, and DCC to name a few.
 


My favorite quote from the article…

“[…] a large segment of the RPG players are predisposed to distrust WotC already. So, believing WotC would deliberately overstate sales plays into that storyline and would attract attention, which it did (after all, I just wrote a column on it).”
I would not expect them to fabricate higher numbers, but I certainly would expect them to put a positive spin on the actual numbers (and not mention the actual numbers, only relative ones, just like they keep on doing...)
 

I know D&D is significant, but is it really the driver? WotC, which composes D&D and MTG and other brands is like 20% of Hasbro revenue in 2021 according to Google AI. But D&D is what, half? of WotC. So somewhere around 10%.
WotC is basically 100% of Hasbro profits at this point in time, revenue does not really matter as much...
 

Im kinda ok with that. Don’t really want to go back to the days of having 3hp at 1st level, a 22% chance of being able to pick a lock and 1 spell per day (which might be cantrip). 😉
For someone who couldn't accept that players of SR classes are even capable of having an unreasonable level of rest frequency expectations a couple pages back you undercut any weight your position here might have had by framing the scale as as if the choices are
*Deadpool/wolverine vrs cute kittens.
-OR-
*a dcc funnel set in tomb of horrors
with nothing between the two.

2014 was a bit too close to omniman's rampage as the default PC and the plan for 2024 is to deliberately power creep back there.
 

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